PCA "Spec 911" ???
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PCA "Spec 911" ???
PCA has adopted the California-based PRC "spec 911" class for 2009. For those of you not familiar, it's a class for any 911 up to '89 allowed to run around 2350 pounds (with driver!). Wheels are 16" 7s and 8s, spec tire is 225/245 Toyo RA-1/R888, brakes are free, interior is free (bye-bye carpet). Mostly stock 2.7, 3.0, and 3.2 motors of course. G50 trannies allowed only in the '87-'89 cars, stock ratios for all. Oh yeah, camber plates are allowed, too. There appears to be an interest in "cost containment."
Here are the rules in Appendix A (but there have been some revisions for 2008 not listed here):
http://www.spec911.com/PRCrules.pdf
It seems like a very popular and competitive class on the West coast. I was wondering what interest there was over here in the East for this class... Are any of you PCA C, D, E stock class folks considering shaving 300-500 pounds off your car and ditching stock class??
It seems that this might be a good alternative for those of us who would love to strip our carpet, strip our AC, remove our passenger seat, and race really light. But maybe not if only a handful of people outside of Cali decide to do it.
Anyway, it sounds like a lot of fun to me. What does everyone else think??
Here are the rules in Appendix A (but there have been some revisions for 2008 not listed here):
http://www.spec911.com/PRCrules.pdf
It seems like a very popular and competitive class on the West coast. I was wondering what interest there was over here in the East for this class... Are any of you PCA C, D, E stock class folks considering shaving 300-500 pounds off your car and ditching stock class??
It seems that this might be a good alternative for those of us who would love to strip our carpet, strip our AC, remove our passenger seat, and race really light. But maybe not if only a handful of people outside of Cali decide to do it.
Anyway, it sounds like a lot of fun to me. What does everyone else think??
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that sounds like too big a varriance on cars to me.... (but what do I know! )
are cars w/2.7ltr cars competitive against 89 3.2 cars?
any weight ballast adjustments for later cars?
I like the concept of cost containment, but Maybe add a NASA hp/lbs ratio for balast?
are cars w/2.7ltr cars competitive against 89 3.2 cars?
any weight ballast adjustments for later cars?
I like the concept of cost containment, but Maybe add a NASA hp/lbs ratio for balast?
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It will be interesting to see if this class catches on outside of our area here in Northern California. We have not had a PCA Club Race for a number of years (this will change in 2009). Nor do we have an active NASA GTS group.
In our area, many Porsche racers enjoy competition with the Porsche Racing Club (PRC), which has run primarily under NASA sanction since we started in 2002.
We have not had many alphabet class cars that want to run in our area. Not sure why. We have seen a steady growth in 911 "Spec" class entries, and the group has been enjoying close racing since it started. Containing costs and ensuring close racing is what this class is all about.
For those interested, Pete Stout wrote an article in Excellence on his weekend experience in our 911 "Spec" class-- likely the magazine that contains the story is available as a back issue.
If folks want to get perspective from some of our Spec 911 racers, you can access them through the forums at Spec911.com or Porscheracingclub.com.
If you need any help understanding the rules, I can try to help with that, as I create the documents.
In our area, many Porsche racers enjoy competition with the Porsche Racing Club (PRC), which has run primarily under NASA sanction since we started in 2002.
We have not had many alphabet class cars that want to run in our area. Not sure why. We have seen a steady growth in 911 "Spec" class entries, and the group has been enjoying close racing since it started. Containing costs and ensuring close racing is what this class is all about.
For those interested, Pete Stout wrote an article in Excellence on his weekend experience in our 911 "Spec" class-- likely the magazine that contains the story is available as a back issue.
If folks want to get perspective from some of our Spec 911 racers, you can access them through the forums at Spec911.com or Porscheracingclub.com.
If you need any help understanding the rules, I can try to help with that, as I create the documents.
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From: Fremont, CA
It will be interesting to see if this class catches on outside of our area here in Northern California. We have not had a PCA Club Race for a number of years (this will change in 2009). Nor do we have an active NASA GTS group.
In our area, many Porsche racers enjoy competition with the Porsche Racing Club (PRC), which has run primarily under NASA sanction since we started in 2002.
We have not had many alphabet class cars that want to run in our area. Not sure why. We have seen a steady growth in 911 "Spec" class entries, and the group has been enjoying close racing since it started. Containing costs and ensuring close racing is what this class is all about.
For those interested, Pete Stout wrote an article in Excellence on his weekend experience in our 911 "Spec" class-- likely the magazine that contains the story is available as a back issue.
If folks want to get perspective from some of our Spec 911 racers, you can access them through the forums at Spec911.com or Porscheracingclub.com.
If you need any help understanding the rules, I can try to help with that, as I create the documents.
In our area, many Porsche racers enjoy competition with the Porsche Racing Club (PRC), which has run primarily under NASA sanction since we started in 2002.
We have not had many alphabet class cars that want to run in our area. Not sure why. We have seen a steady growth in 911 "Spec" class entries, and the group has been enjoying close racing since it started. Containing costs and ensuring close racing is what this class is all about.
For those interested, Pete Stout wrote an article in Excellence on his weekend experience in our 911 "Spec" class-- likely the magazine that contains the story is available as a back issue.
If folks want to get perspective from some of our Spec 911 racers, you can access them through the forums at Spec911.com or Porscheracingclub.com.
If you need any help understanding the rules, I can try to help with that, as I create the documents.
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What Mike and Eric said..........
If you don't want to, you don't have to. But what became Spec 911 is what I pitched to Monte Smith in the mid-'90's when I saw where our time trial modified 911's got punted into GT3S, with no hope in hell of being competitive. Rich Walton of Jerry Woods ended up getting the package together when PRC was born when the powers-that-be bailed from Club Racing.
Go over to mylaps and see how close the cars are. And where there is separation, believe me, it's on prep and financial commitment. Make no mistake, some guys have spent obscene dollars on their cars. Others have pushed their interpretation of the rules way, way beyond what was envisioned. Surprised, huh?
Bottom line is that when I'm pedaling around a measly 210-20hp, 2500lb (with me) torsion bar car, it is just so much more enjoyable than when I ran my SC at stock weight. But if you're still not convinced, Stuart Ward (Craig Watkins of Lizard's brother-in-law) always ran his SC up near the front even when it was still an (old) F class car.
If you don't want to, you don't have to. But what became Spec 911 is what I pitched to Monte Smith in the mid-'90's when I saw where our time trial modified 911's got punted into GT3S, with no hope in hell of being competitive. Rich Walton of Jerry Woods ended up getting the package together when PRC was born when the powers-that-be bailed from Club Racing.
Go over to mylaps and see how close the cars are. And where there is separation, believe me, it's on prep and financial commitment. Make no mistake, some guys have spent obscene dollars on their cars. Others have pushed their interpretation of the rules way, way beyond what was envisioned. Surprised, huh?
Bottom line is that when I'm pedaling around a measly 210-20hp, 2500lb (with me) torsion bar car, it is just so much more enjoyable than when I ran my SC at stock weight. But if you're still not convinced, Stuart Ward (Craig Watkins of Lizard's brother-in-law) always ran his SC up near the front even when it was still an (old) F class car.
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Go over to mylaps and see how close the cars are. And where there is separation, believe me, it's on prep and financial commitment. Make no mistake, some guys have spent obscene dollars on their cars. Others have pushed their interpretation of the rules way, way beyond what was envisioned. Surprised, huh?
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"Go over to mylaps and see how close the cars are. And where there is separation, believe me, it's on prep and financial commitment. Make no mistake, some guys have spent obscene dollars on their cars. Others have pushed their interpretation of the rules way, way beyond what was envisioned. Surprised, huh?"
You mean like the Rothsport cars with the 964 intakes and Motec on their 3.0L.
At 9.8:1 comp--I bet those cars are puting out close to 240 hp.
You mean like the Rothsport cars with the 964 intakes and Motec on their 3.0L.
At 9.8:1 comp--I bet those cars are puting out close to 240 hp.
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"Go over to mylaps and see how close the cars are. And where there is separation, believe me, it's on prep and financial commitment. Make no mistake, some guys have spent obscene dollars on their cars. Others have pushed their interpretation of the rules way, way beyond what was envisioned. Surprised, huh?"
You mean like the Rothsport cars with the 964 intakes and Motec on their 3.0L.
At 9.8:1 comp--I bet those cars are puting out close to 240 hp.
You mean like the Rothsport cars with the 964 intakes and Motec on their 3.0L.
At 9.8:1 comp--I bet those cars are puting out close to 240 hp.
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My Spec Miata won the pro (yes, as in $$$) championship in '05. I suck, and I do mean SUCK, driving it. Can't touch what Justin did in the car. And he has been known to hop into rental SM's and flirt with the track record.
Until we're getting paid, bring what you got, with what you can afford to spend, and enjoy yourself.
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Are the 3.0l putting out more than 250hp?