M Schumacher in today's Barcelona testing
11-14-2007, 04:46 PM
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Waynes world, you left out that MS had car problems and nursed the car home..........Kimi needed all the help in the world to be WDC including the self destruction of Mac. MS in the same car aka the best car would have run away with the WDC as proven in previous years with similar equipment.
I also bet my bottom dollar that MS is as fast as KR/FM in testing, the old man makes some mistakes now but he is still up there . In all out racing he most likely will win and loose some due to not taking major risks anymore.
Barricryo has some good days and some bad but no consistancy. If he was artificially held back why did he not be second in every race MS won or be a 5 time 2nd place WDC ?
Are you still sore that your boy Moantoya finsihed behind MS in 2005 despiote having a car leaps and bounds better than the F car ?
I also bet my bottom dollar that MS is as fast as KR/FM in testing, the old man makes some mistakes now but he is still up there . In all out racing he most likely will win and loose some due to not taking major risks anymore.
Barricryo has some good days and some bad but no consistancy. If he was artificially held back why did he not be second in every race MS won or be a 5 time 2nd place WDC ?
Are you still sore that your boy Moantoya finsihed behind MS in 2005 despiote having a car leaps and bounds better than the F car ?
You apparently know nothing about barrichello nor F1 Here you go ,
Car # —
Current team Honda Racing F1 Team
Formula One World Championship career
Races 253 (249 starts)
Championships 0
Wins 9
Podium finishes 61
Pole positions 13
Career points 519
Fastest laps 15
First race 1993 South African Grand Prix
First win 2000 German Grand Prix
Latest win 2004 Chinese Grand Prix
Youngest pole position winners
(only the first pole position for each driver is listed)
Driver Age Race
1 Fernando Alonso 21 years, 237 days 2003 Malaysian Grand Prix
2 Rubens Barrichello 22 years, 97 days Jordan Hart 1994 Belgian Grand Prix
3 Lewis Hamilton 22 years, 153 days 2007 Canadian Grand Prix
4 Andrea de Cesaris 22 years, 308 days 1982 United States Grand Prix West
5 Jacky Ickx 23 years, 216 days 1968 German Grand Prix
Total podium finishes
Driver Seasons Entries Podiums
1 Michael Schumacher 1991–2006 250 154
2 Alain Prost 1980–1991, 1993 202 106
3 Ayrton Senna 1984–1994 162 80
4 David Coulthard 1994–2007 228 61
4 Rubens Barrichello 1993–2007 252 61
Most podium positions in a season
Driver Season Entries Podiums
1 Michael Schumacher 2002 17 17
2 Michael Schumacher 2004 18 15
3 Spain Fernando Alonso 2005 19 15
4 Alain Prost 1988 16 14
4 Michael Schumacher 2001 17 14
4 Rubens Barrichello 2004 18 14
4 Fernando Alonso 2006 18 14
Career points
Driver Points
1 Michael Schumacher 1369
2 France Alain Prost 798.5
3 Ayrton Senna 614
4 David Coulthard 527
5 Rubens Barrichello 519
Total races finished in the points
Driver Points Finishes
1 Michael Schumacher 190
2 Alain Prost 128
3 David Coulthard 119
4 Rubens Barrichello 111
Most championship points in a season
Driver Points Season WDC Races Average
1 Michael Schumacher 148 2004 1st 18 8.22
2 Michael Schumacher 144 2002 1st 17 8.47
3 Fernando Alonso 134 2006 1st 18 7.44
4 Fernando Alonso 133 2005 1st 19 7.00
5 Michael Schumacher 123 2001 1st 17 7.24
6 Michael Schumacher 121 2006 2nd 18 6.72
7 Rubens Barrichello 114 2004 2nd 18 6.33
one lap,Leaders total
Driver Races
1 Michael Schumacher 141
2 l Ayrton Senna 86
3 Alain Prost 84
4 David Coulthard 61
5 Nelson Piquet 58
6 Nigel Mansell 55
7 Jackie Stewart 51
8 Mika Häkkinen 48
9 Damon Hill 45
10 Rubens Barrichello 44
Most points between first and second in the World Championship 67 points between Michael Schumacher (144 pts.) and Rubens Barrichello (77 pts.) in 2002
I know it is not in braille for you pole , so let me spell it out . 61 podium finishes .......only 9 wins , Barrichello and coulthard are the only drivers on the above lists that where never WDC, obviously no 2 support role drivers . MS gained on Barrichello's pace , setups and support , he did not get this from Massa last year , nor the last year from barrichello as he was taken out of loop after announcing his jump to Honda. Again any top driver in F1 given this kind of support would win for an eternity , You will see with Kimi as he will get undisputed no 1 , in 08 .....
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11-14-2007, 08:25 PM
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Was Rubens as fast as Michael on occasion? Of course, and probably faster on occasion. No one is arguing that. Even the mighty midget Alonso got beat by both Fisi and Trulli while at Renault.
I found that the true measure of talent, or lack thereof, came in 2005 during the year of the 1 tire per race rule. As much as all the Bridgestone runners struggled, Ferrari included, Rubens could not match MS in pace or finishing position. Positions that were not relinquished, as Wayne puts it, because it was clear the WDC was lost very early in the season because the tires simply sucked. Rubens couldn't even touch MS in 2005.
Another lie is that Wayne says the last 2 years MS didn't have Rubens, it was only 1, 2006. A year Ferrari and MS were clearly ahead in points until an engine blew up in the 2nd to last race of the year, or MS would have had his 8th title.
Moving onto Kimi, Kimi didn't get the #1 status until Massa was eliminated, which I highly respect, but Kimi needed a lot of luck (ironic that Kimi got all the good luck at the end of the year), and didn't control his own destiny to the WDC.
BTW, Wayne, MICHAEL SCHUMACHER FASTEST AGAIN ON DAY 2 IN SPAIN.
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11-14-2007, 08:34 PM
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Who cares who is the fastest around the track all by themselves....It's who is smartest in traffic and wins the races....uh that would be Shumi.
Still I am lovin' it that Shumi is killin' it at Spain testing!
Still I am lovin' it that Shumi is killin' it at Spain testing!
11-14-2007, 08:49 PM
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I was thinking that we could set up a fund to buy him a ride in the old Minardi F1 two seaters and have MS take A. Wayne for a few hot laps.......streamed onto the web for all the Rennlist folks to see LIVE.
11-14-2007, 09:06 PM
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Good thing you said MS and not Alonso. If A. Wayne ever made it that close behind Alonso's backside, I don't know if a herd of elephants could pry him loose again.
11-14-2007, 09:34 PM
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Wait a minute, IIRC, doesn't the TV commercial say if you experience and erection lasting more than 4 hours, call your doctor immediately?.....oh wait, never mind, an F1 race NEVER lasts 4 hours.......he's fine.
11-14-2007, 09:34 PM
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I like Kimi, especially his personality displayed in the post race interviews. He typically has me rolling on the floor. MS is the best driver I've seen, probably the smartest too. Anyone who watched his last season saw that he was the fastest driver the whole second half of the season (when the Ferrari got up to speed) and only uncharacteristic unreliability on the Ferrari's part cost him the title. Barrichello is a decent driver who has benefitted by driving on some good teams. It will be interesting to see how Hamilton does in his second season and also whether Kimi can repeat. I can't wait.
11-14-2007, 09:39 PM
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I....MS is the best driver I've seen, probably the smartest too. Anyone who watched his last season saw that he was the fastest driver the whole second half of the season (when the Ferrari got up to speed) and only uncharacteristic unreliability on the Ferrari's part cost him the title.....
A. Wayne.....incoming....
11-14-2007, 09:55 PM
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11-14-2007, 10:07 PM
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I like Kimi, especially his personality displayed in the post race interviews. He typically has me rolling on the floor. MS is the best driver I've seen, probably the smartest too. Anyone who watched his last season saw that he was the fastest driver the whole second half of the season (when the Ferrari got up to speed) and only uncharacteristic unreliability on the Ferrari's part cost him the title. Barrichello is a decent driver who has benefitted by driving on some good teams. It will be interesting to see how Hamilton does in his second season and also whether Kimi can repeat. I can't wait.
11-14-2007, 10:14 PM
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11-14-2007, 10:28 PM
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Sure, Kimi had luck in the end but also had his share of bad luck in the beginning with two technical DNFs...
11-14-2007, 10:55 PM
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Barrichello benifited from driving on some good teams 
LOL who am i to dispute such F1 knowledge...
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This is a complete waste of my time , again defy facts with opinion , never addressing the point , scatter fire logic and response at best....
LOL who am i to dispute such F1 knowledge...Pete,
This is a complete waste of my time , again defy facts with opinion , never addressing the point , scatter fire logic and response at best....
11-14-2007, 11:35 PM
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Micheal Smiles at Wayne
Schumi's there to make sure KR / FM are fast next year - he's not fired he's on the payroll and he still makes more than all the other top drivers on the F1 circuit. Yes they're all jealous and Wayne is slumping but guess who’s laughing all the way to the bank? MS