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Old 11-08-2007, 10:04 AM
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Default FIA at Work, Spy Saga 2

FIA summons Renault over spying charges

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, November 8th 2007, 13:21 GMT

Former world champions Renault have been summoned to appear before a hearing of the FIA World Motor Sport Council next month to answer charges of spying.

With the sport still reeling from McLaren's exclusion from the Constructors' Championship for their involvement in a spying affair with Ferrari this year, Renault now find themselves dragged into a similar controversy.

Renault were dragged into the matter when McLaren investigations into their own spy controversy revealed that a former staff member had taken several CDs worth of data to the Renault team.

McLaren's lawyers duly brought the matter to the attention of the FIA on the eve of their own hearing in September, which prompted the investigation by the sport's governing body. This has resulted in the decision of the FIA to summon Renault representatives.

A statement issued by the FIA on Thursday said: "Representatives of the Renault F1 Team have been requested to appear before a hearing of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Monaco on Thursday, December 6, 2007.

"The team representatives have been called to answer a charge that between September 2006 and October 2007, in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, the Renault F1 Team had unauthorised possession of documents and confidential information belonging to Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, including, but not limited to the layout and critical dimensions of the McLaren F1 car, together with details of the McLaren fuelling system, gear assembly, oil cooling system, hydraulic control system and a novel suspension component used by the 2006 and 2007 McLaren F1 cars."

Renault boss Flavio Briatore told Gazzetta dello Sport in September that he was confident the team would not be found to have done anything wrong, having cooperated fully with the FIA investigation.

"We told the FIA what we had, so there's no problem," said Briatore. "I don't know what Dennis refers to, he's throwing stones a bit everywhere. We are calm, no problem at all."
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By Biranit Goren Thursday, November 8th 2007, 10:09 GMT

The FIA began its investigation into the McLaren 2008 car this week, in line with the World Motor Sport Council's decision in the spying affair.

The governing body excluded McLaren from the 2007 Constructors' Championship after confidential Ferrari information was leaked to McLaren's then chief designer Mike Coughlan.

McLaren had since suspended Coughlan, but the WMSC said in its September verdict that it would make a decision on whether or not to further penalise McLaren for the 2008 season after an examination of the 2008 cars take place.

Investigators on behalf of the governing body visited the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking in the last couple of days, where they reportedly held a thorough examination on the premises and took with them data for further analysis.

Asked about the investigation, a McLaren spokesperson told autosport.com: "We are unable to make any comment other than to say that an inspection has always been part of the WMSC decision, and of course we are cooperating fully with the FIA."

According to sources, the FIA has forbidden McLaren to reveal details of the probe. The governing body also said it would not comment due to the fact that it is part of an ongoing investigation.

FIA president Max Mosley last week revealed the governing body will likely use third-party experts to review the data collected on the McLaren 2008 car.

"The investigation will be thorough," he told the BBC, "it will use outside experts and we will do everything we possibly can to make sure that either of the McLarens has no element of Ferrari intellectual property in it.

"If it does, we will then have to consider taking some sort of action."

Mosley said, however, that McLaren would not necessarily be excluded again from the championship.

"That would not necessarily be preventing them from running," he said. "It would be more likely that they would be given a negative point allocation."
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"Coincidentally", the exact same dates that Alonso was at McLaren after having just left Renault...
Old 11-08-2007, 10:14 AM
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Hate overcoming logic are we now VR......
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Yeah...that's it.

Get up off your knees & wipe your chin, Mrs. Alonso...
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I've said it before and I will reiterate, Mac is doomed in '08 because of this scrutiny. Their hands are tied unless they have really novel ideas.

I wonder what the FIA would do to Renault if found guilty? Exclude them from the constructor's for 07? Who cares?
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Yeah...that's it.

Get up off your knees & wipe your chin, Mrs. Alonso...
Hey Now!

I think you are in the wrong Forum VR ............ we have boundaries
Old 11-08-2007, 01:35 PM
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What happens when the FIA determines that every team cheated last year?
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Originally Posted by 1957 356
What happens when the FIA determines that every team cheated last year?
Then the title goes to Bernie
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Originally Posted by 1957 356
What happens when the FIA determines that every team cheated last year?
Amen! They all do this.
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They'll just declare the rules outdated a la David Stern and his gambling referees and say anything goes.
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Originally Posted by 1957 356
What happens when the FIA determines that every team cheated last year?
Originally Posted by Geo
Amen! They all do this.
The Union Cycliste International and World Anti Doping Administration are currently killing the sport of cycling by "leaving no stone unturned" in so far as "astute medical preparation" (doping) goes. Fans want unbelievable racing, not the real moral dilemna.
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so, the FIA deems that IP corresponding to any team's, found on another team's cars is a de facto infraction? does this mean that drivers & other employees can no longer change teams (part of the 10year freeze...), since IP is as much technique or methodology as it is physical hardware? if these guys can't steal from one another, how will they achieve parity & close racing?
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If everyone's cheating then by default won't it be renamed "Porsche Club Racing"?
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Russ,

Not to sidetrack us but....

Cycling is a gentleman's sport and they are trying to preserve that.

The sponsors don't want the drugs so to keep the sport alive they need to go through this hard period of cleaning it up.

The riders want it cleaned up to.


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