hi guys,
i have several friends who have 964 cups cars (euro and andial) , which seem to have found a little cult following in the northeast.

How available are 993 cups? What should they cost? How overstressed are the motors .. e.g. are they a maintance nightmare in terms of rebuilds.

im looking for a track car as im progressing beyond my 993TT which is too prestine (and heavy) to expose to the 'tough crowd' at the track. Im debating between a DE setup 964, a US 964 cup (b/c i can drive it to the track), but i always have a softspot for 993s.

thanks
best,
=rob

 

I guess that's not the answer you were lookin' for... ;-)

When you do hear, I'd be interested in knowing as well.

 

If you aren't planning on racing PCA GTC1 class with the 964 cup cars you can actually get more performance out of a highly modified C2 as you have no rules to follow. Even if you build it from a box-stock 92-93 C2 and put $40K into it you STILL won't be at what the Cup cars are going for now..

 

Most of the 993 cups I see for sale have been modified a lot (more displacement, etc). You don't see too many unmolested examples, maybe you could import one.

From the posts here it seems like the east coast guys are having a ball with the 964 cups, seems like a pretty fun class and the cars have some history.

 

Buy a C2 for $20k and put $40k of mods into it...drive it for 5 years and you have a $40k car (at best).

Buy a 964 cup for $75k...5 years later you have a $75k car (at worst).

 

Colin,

One important factor you left out of your equation is the cost of running the 964 Cup vs. the modded 964. The costs for the cup have to be higher. Aluminum hood vs. regular C2 hood etc.

Obviousley not an expert but have heard some horror stories about cup ownership and reliablity. I do agree with you however that the 964 Cup should hold its value or even appreciate.

 

Sticking to the 964 Cups only, that really surprises me, as my experience has been nothing like you describe. Regarding the hood, assuming you keep it in place, it is a non-factor. The people I do know who have had expensive repairs with 964 Cups have purchased very tired cars at what they thought was a "great price", then found out that they needed a refurb. Can't the same happen to a very tired 964 bought "cheap" to convert to a track car?

 

Huh? Agree with Bull ... it's contrary to my experience too. Maybe you could elaborate?

 

Of course every car is different and I don't have a large sampling to go on. The nice thing about the DE forum is you can get a broader sampling. I think Sean might be on to something re: engine rebuild etc. I know the hood is not a problem if you keep it in place but if you don't you are going to pay if you can even get an aluminum hood. A non aluminum hood would degrade the value I would assume. When racing there is always the chance of balling up the car in which case you may be out more money with the Cup vs. another route.

It just follows that with less cars made, replacement parts etc. have to be more rare/expensive. I have been told (just the other day actually) by a race shop that the 964 Cup is the cheapest and most reliable to run of the cup cars.

 

I deleted my post...reading comprehension problem. I thought we were talking 996.

 

"I deleted my post...reading comprehension problem. I thought we were talking 996." Sean

Thanks Sean! Now I am the only one recieving the ire of the 964 Cup crowd. Glad its a Monday.

 

Again, if he intends on racing it I would agree but if not he can absolutely get more performance for a lot less money. The $40K example I used is about double of what I know it takes to build a solid 964 into a very good track car. If you ball up the C2 it isn't a big deal, ball up a 964 Cup and you can't go find a cheap doner to replace it. The cups are great cars, no doubt about it. It comes down to budget and what you want to get out of the car. I personally wouldn't buy a car (to drive on a race track) that I was worried about a ROI, but that's me..

 

No ire intended.

 

No ire intended with this response, but other than a few hard to find parts, the 964 Cup's running cost should be no different than a C2. Same engine, etc.

 

The 964 cup is not too $$ to race....Parts are easily available (mostly) and the cars are generally reliable. It is a car you can race for many seasons and have it retain value, assuming no major structural damage. The cars are somewhat rare and they are easily sold if you'd like to.