Gary R.

Wear u left it I asumme...

bobt993

The only tracks I have driven that allow windows up are in Europe, but they also have helmets as optional along with whether your dog wants to join you also.

BrianKeithSmith

What if you don't have windows?
Can you not run.

VIR is a fast track as well, windows down all the time.

Like I would want glass holding me in the car... Holy moly... Good way to end up withOUT an arm...

Vampire

Window nets are allowed.
Passenger window can be down if there is not a passenger.

BrianKeithSmith

allowed? or required in the event that you don't have windows???
It would seem that if they want windows up, and you don't have windows, that they'd require a net???

Vampire

You need either a window net or a window up (1 inch crack for ventalation allowed).

seattle_sun

Thats what I was told at PDE.

Willard Bridgham 3

Instantaneous load can be high, perhaps as much as 10 hp.....the average load is 1.5 hp or lower.....show me a Porsche that has more than 1 ton of cooling.

I don't know about the civic.

Probably pretty noticeable if the compressor pulls coming up the toe of the boot or in the esses at WG in an N/A 944.

mdrums

At the Porsche Sport Driving Experiance (was PDE) at Barber Motor Sports Park in Birmingham, AL we ran with windows up and A/C on. At my clubs DE's at Sebring it's windows down and I run with the A/C on.

Martin S.

Wrist restraints and window nets do a great job of keeping head and arms from going out the window.

At Porsche Owners Club races (A Cali Club Racing Organization), you need either wrist restraints OR a window net. I am thinking the wrist restraints may be the best bet in that they keep your left arm inside the car, and they allow you more vision to the left side of the car.

Windows up, this could be a real problem in a wreck....extracting the driver could be a real chore.

Nordschleife

there is an expression for people like you.

Windows have never got in the way of extracting a driver, usually they have popped out, or broken during the crash, and if they haven't braking them is a matter of a moment.

As far as the bondage goes, have you ever seen F1 drivers or ALMS drivers wearing arm restraints? There is a lot of information about restraint on the net.

R+C

JimB

Nord Stern rules for Brainerd have been analyzed, debated and re-debated for 25 years. They are not the result of either misinformation or lack of understanding. Any time you put a street car on a race track you make compromises in the safety rules and the compromises made for Brainerd are a little different than most tracks.

Brainerd is fast in a way no other US track is. Certainly not VIR which I would consider fairly slow. Daytona has higher max speeds but you’re on a huge bank with a wall next to you to contain your car.

In a modern street car you will enter BIR’s mile long front straight at over 100 mph. That gives you an entry speed into T1 of over 150 mph in a n/a 996. More in a TT or GT3. A well driven DE car with suspension work and R compound tires can go through T1 flat. T2 is only slightly slower with speeds exceeding 120 mph. A crash in either corner often results in cars rolling six or seven times. The biggest issue in such a crash is containment and the structural integrity of the roof. Both are enhanced by the windows being up.

At Brainerd, the likelihood of a dramatic barrel roll is much much greater than the likelihood of your car starting on fire and your doors not opening and your window switch not working and the corner worker not getting to you to get you out.

I’m not at all interested in debating the topic. That should be left to those that understand both safety systems and the unique nature of the track. I’m just sharing a little of the rational.

BTW, don't most modern enclosed race cars have windows?
Jim