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Old 05-18-2007, 02:35 PM
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Default Sweet - V6 engines coming to F1

I think Max has snapped

V6 engines in 2011? Max Mosley has proposed a new engine rule for the 2011 season. The 2.4-litre V8 engine would be replaced by an eco-friendly 2.2-litre turbocharged V6 engine running on biofuel. It's been only 2 years that the V10 engines have been exchanged for V8 engines.

The 2.2-litre V6 engines would develop around 770 horsepower. Mosley plans to restrict the number of revs and wants to set the limit at 10,000rpm. This would make the F1 cars quieter than the current cars. The proposal also says that the engines have to last five Grand Prix weekends instead of the current two.
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10,000 RPM would make the motors last a LONG time.
Old 05-18-2007, 02:46 PM
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I agree he has snapped (again )

On one hand you hear that the FIA want s to help reduce the exhorbant R&D cost associated with F1 and then you hear about a hair brained idea like this.

Max, you want fries with that ???
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Max is nuttier than Jean-Marie Balestre and I thought that was impossible.
Old 05-18-2007, 03:18 PM
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Funny, I got my Automotive Engineering magazine last week and the cover story is the 2011 F1 engine.... I'll have to read it...
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Sweet baby Jesus,
2.2L engines running to 10,000 rpm will not make 770 bhp , quite possibly it will not happen this way , but if it does the new name should be F 0.5 ....
If Bernis was really serious about destroying F1 , he should make them 2.2 , 4 cylinder turbo diesels running on bio-fuel with air brakes instead of the current carbon. .

After hearing the audi's, 22, F 0.5 cars should sound sweet ,
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Biofuel is code for DIESEL.

Also, Mad Max is proposing that these cars be all wheel drive and have a ChampCar-like push to pass power button.

I am not making this up.
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Originally Posted by A.Wayne
Sweet baby Jesus,
2.2L engines running to 10,000 rpm will not make 770 bhp ,
Well I've had the 1.8 litre Audi 1.8 engine running over 400bhp in street trim, reliably, which scales to about 490 on a proportional basis. That leaves only 280 to be found using boost, exotic materials and more engine revs, sounds like a lay down misere to me. BMW got a great deal more from their 2 litre engine.

R+C
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Don't forget the requirement for regenerative power systems (re: HYBRID) in 2009.
So what we'll end up with a biodiesel Prius Hybrid with push to pass and advanced aerodynamics.
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and all wheel drive
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Is this the Prelude to the Toyota F1 Prius?

When is Max going to leave already?

The sound of the V8 vs. the V10 is not as sweet. If the V6 get approved and is quieter ala the Audi Diesels, that is killing one of the up front and personal F1 experiences.
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Originally Posted by M3Pete
When is Max going to leave already?
I hate to say it, but when he croaks.

He's a buffoon.
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Sad part is that if they made a Prius Challenge Series, it would easier to watch on TV than f1 just to be politically correct.
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Biofuel is code for DIESEL.
Probably right, but they could be talking ethanol as well.
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The max and bernie show:
The sub-servants became the masters


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