NEW GT3 DRIVER AT A DE
05-11-2007, 05:42 PM
#31
Tom,
As a good instructor, I am sure you are aware of the importance of clear verbal instructions in the cockpit, particularly when approaching crucial moments like turn-in, apex, and track out. Here are a few that Larry Herman used on me:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...3/hmerscrm.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/whydid.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/ahcrap.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/ohwhyme.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/deargod.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/warned.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/cantake.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B.../3283/attn.wav
They might be useful for a 0.0 student in a 997 GT3.
Good luck,
TD
As a good instructor, I am sure you are aware of the importance of clear verbal instructions in the cockpit, particularly when approaching crucial moments like turn-in, apex, and track out. Here are a few that Larry Herman used on me:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...3/hmerscrm.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/whydid.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/ahcrap.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/ohwhyme.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/deargod.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/warned.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/cantake.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B.../3283/attn.wav
They might be useful for a 0.0 student in a 997 GT3.
Good luck,
TD
05-11-2007, 06:28 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by TD in DC
Tom,
As a good instructor, I am sure you are aware of the importance of clear verbal instructions in the cockpit, particularly when approaching crucial moments like turn-in, apex, and track out. Here are a few that Larry Herman used on me:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...3/hmerscrm.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/whydid.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/ahcrap.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/ohwhyme.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/deargod.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/warned.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/cantake.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B.../3283/attn.wav
They might be useful for a 0.0 student in a 997 GT3.
Good luck,
TD
As a good instructor, I am sure you are aware of the importance of clear verbal instructions in the cockpit, particularly when approaching crucial moments like turn-in, apex, and track out. Here are a few that Larry Herman used on me:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...3/hmerscrm.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/whydid.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/ahcrap.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/ohwhyme.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/deargod.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...283/warned.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B...83/cantake.wav
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/B.../3283/attn.wav
They might be useful for a 0.0 student in a 997 GT3.
Good luck,
TD
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Larry Herman
2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
2018 Tesla Model 3 - Electricity can be fun!
Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car
CLICK HERE to see some of my ancient racing videos.
05-11-2007, 06:55 PM
#34
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Tom,
I did my first DE back in December @ Sebring and my instructor (Bruce B.) requested that I use 3rd gear only, which allowed me to focus on learning the correct line. As a result, I was passed by some ice cream trucks while exiting the turns (... waiting for boost), but I appreciate the strategy and it allowed me the opportunity to learn the proper line and etiquette for point-bys. I had a great time and learned a bunch from a great instructor. I'm not a strait line speed fanatic, but I was still able to hit ~135 down the straits.
Regards, Dave
I did my first DE back in December @ Sebring and my instructor (Bruce B.) requested that I use 3rd gear only, which allowed me to focus on learning the correct line. As a result, I was passed by some ice cream trucks while exiting the turns (... waiting for boost), but I appreciate the strategy and it allowed me the opportunity to learn the proper line and etiquette for point-bys. I had a great time and learned a bunch from a great instructor. I'm not a strait line speed fanatic, but I was still able to hit ~135 down the straits.
Regards, Dave
05-11-2007, 06:55 PM
#35
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by gt3cup98
I may never be an instructer but I learned to drive on the track in a 996 GT3 and I think the best advice is limit RPM to no more than 5,000 for a few sessions. The 996 was much more controlable at the lower RPM's and it really takes off after. I have heard that the 997 is an easier car to drive.
Boyd
Boyd
ps. that is a georgeous white Cayman in your avitar
05-11-2007, 07:24 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau
Tom - on the subject of how to deal with a student:
1) I never drive an entire session. Two laps at slow speed will do and between us instructors, the real reason we do it is to make sure the car is safe.
2) I really object to the x,000 RPM one gear policy. I will do that if I have a wild man on my hands. If on the other hand the driver is normal like 95 percent of the students, I will not impose a gear/rmp or speed limit unless we are going too fast on the straights. A novice will typically shift at around 5000 rpm which depending on the track is fine with me.
In other words, the one-size-fits all pattern of teaching runs contrary to my principles. I try and keep a novice at roughly the same speed as the group so as not to cause trains nor to lose focus on the basics because wew are passing too many cars.
On the rare occasion I am faced with a difficult to control driver I prefer to take them immediatly to the pits for a "chat". The on track session ends then and there. It usally brings them around. If it doesn't I get out and send them home.
Best,
1) I never drive an entire session. Two laps at slow speed will do and between us instructors, the real reason we do it is to make sure the car is safe.
2) I really object to the x,000 RPM one gear policy. I will do that if I have a wild man on my hands. If on the other hand the driver is normal like 95 percent of the students, I will not impose a gear/rmp or speed limit unless we are going too fast on the straights. A novice will typically shift at around 5000 rpm which depending on the track is fine with me.
In other words, the one-size-fits all pattern of teaching runs contrary to my principles. I try and keep a novice at roughly the same speed as the group so as not to cause trains nor to lose focus on the basics because wew are passing too many cars.
On the rare occasion I am faced with a difficult to control driver I prefer to take them immediatly to the pits for a "chat". The on track session ends then and there. It usally brings them around. If it doesn't I get out and send them home.
Best,
Tom, All I could add, which I'm sure you already know well, is that only one person is in charge of that car tomorrow, and that is you; and only one person is finally responsible for the car in those green student sessions and that is also you.
Have a great time, wish i could join you tomorrow. Dan
05-11-2007, 10:28 PM
#37
Race Car
Originally Posted by tkerrmd
Guys, I have to admit I am once again over whelmed at the time you guys take to share your wealth of knowledge with all. You cant get this kind of references in any book or on line search.
this forum, because of you guys is really a special and great place for car drivers.
I thank you all for taking the time to answer and you are all to be commended!!
Your humble student.....tom
PS Mike sorry I didnt get ya as a student I also asked!!
see ya at dinner.
this forum, because of you guys is really a special and great place for car drivers.
I thank you all for taking the time to answer and you are all to be commended!!
Your humble student.....tom
PS Mike sorry I didnt get ya as a student I also asked!!
see ya at dinner.
The car they drive is irrelevant, YOU are in command. Make that known from the start (in a warm and friendly way
) and let them progress as you feel comfortable that they are getting it and feeling comfy themselves. Don't be afraid to ask them to woah it down if you don't feel right. Its all about trust and they don't get your trust until they earn it. A good student won't fight this but embrace it.
05-11-2007, 10:38 PM
#38
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by 993inNC
Tom, one thing I do with a new to the track student is to make them drive VERY slowly for the first session of the first day (they're 90% of the time in green anyway which is a slow group, traffic may put the brakes on for you). I do this because first and foremost they need to know where the track goes. If they don't know, and can't recall the track layout, nothing else matters. Get them to memorize (as best they can) the corner sequence so they begin to anticipate what comes up next, and a good student will begin to setup correctly from one corner to another. Then I would certainly go with what everyone said about gearing and speed, apex braking etc....
The car they drive is irrelevant, YOU are in command. Make that known from the start (in a warm and friendly way ) and let them progress as you feel comfortable that they are getting it and feeling comfy themselves. Don't be afraid to ask them to woah it down if you don't feel right. Its all about trust and they don't get your trust until they earn it. A good student won't fight this but embrace it.
The car they drive is irrelevant, YOU are in command. Make that known from the start (in a warm and friendly way
) and let them progress as you feel comfortable that they are getting it and feeling comfy themselves. Don't be afraid to ask them to woah it down if you don't feel right. Its all about trust and they don't get your trust until they earn it. A good student won't fight this but embrace it.
I really shouldn't even be instructing 
05-11-2007, 10:42 PM
#40
Nordschleife Master
Ah Chris, I couldn't help myself. I have a few secs to kill while the wife deals with "pregnancy" issues. Oh the next 5 months are going to be fun. 
......yes dear I'm coming right now.....just chatting witht he Rennlist guys.
......yes dear I'm coming right now.....just chatting witht he Rennlist guys.
05-11-2007, 10:56 PM
#41
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Oh you are in for it my friend.....Ah hah, hah, hah, hah, hah 
I won't hold that comment against you.......you know I'm faster than you anyway.......you just have a faster car
Hope Kellie is doing okay? I know all about those "issues". Give her my best
I won't hold that comment against you.......you know I'm faster than you anyway.......you just have a faster car
Hope Kellie is doing okay? I know all about those "issues". Give her my best
05-12-2007, 12:10 AM
#42
I just instructed a student in a 997 GT3 RS. I was really surprised how tame it was, and how it was similar to my car, though faster. In other words, like others have said, just instruct like you usually would, and it will go well.
05-12-2007, 12:22 AM
#43
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If it's any consolation, the first student I ever had drove a Factor 5 Cobra!!!!
I'm a big believer in explaining fully what can and does go wrong with lots of torque/hp and little experience. Talk to him about how the back end comes around and tell him you'll consider it a success if there's none of that.... Further, as a precaution and to educate him on his car tell him you want to go 2/3 for the first session. Learn the line and gradually go faster.
My student got faster and faster and by the end of the day, he skipped the final session because I think he was getting a little concerned with how fast he was going.... He was under control but not comfortable with the speed.
I'm a big believer in explaining fully what can and does go wrong with lots of torque/hp and little experience. Talk to him about how the back end comes around and tell him you'll consider it a success if there's none of that.... Further, as a precaution and to educate him on his car tell him you want to go 2/3 for the first session. Learn the line and gradually go faster.
My student got faster and faster and by the end of the day, he skipped the final session because I think he was getting a little concerned with how fast he was going.... He was under control but not comfortable with the speed.
05-12-2007, 11:10 PM
#44
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TD, Chris, Dell and all you guys thank you for answering my question and also giving me more tips on new students. As always invaluable and goes into my instructor note book!!
I continue to develop and become a better instructor and driver because of you guys and this forum, thanks always nice to have you experts to turn too!!!
tom
I continue to develop and become a better instructor and driver because of you guys and this forum, thanks always nice to have you experts to turn too!!!
tom
