Anderson Motorworks...were, baaack!
11-07-2002, 03:55 PM
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As an outsider to this thread, I still can't understand how it is that a normally-aspirated 944 can beat a 911, or for that matter a 944 Turbo. Are there regulations that I'm missing here, because I've waltzed all over 944's... and never been beaten by one yet. What's so special about yours? What kind of horsepower does it have? What loopholes in the regulations are you exploiting to get that horsepower? Or are you the younger brother of Michael and Ralf?
Thanks for clarifying to us amatuers.
Erick
Thanks for clarifying to us amatuers.
Erick
11-07-2002, 04:17 PM
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I drove a PCA race where beat a G Stock 911SC and even an E Stock 944 Turbo S. I was racing neck and neck with a D-Stock RSA and an H-Stock 75 911. In a 90 min enduro I lapped the E-stock 944 Turbo S and raced with D-Stock RSA for the entire distance.
This is in Normally Aspirted 944 with 150 hp weight reduce to 2450 lbs with solid, but not a full blown race suspension. Total value is probably about $7000.
Granted the both drivers in E-Stock and D-Stock were not fanstatic, but these were also my first two races.
My 944 race car is faster than my 944 Turbo S street car on the track. In my last race there was a F-Stock 944 Turbo, but with his chip in place, driven by a very experineced driver with a well sorted suspension. I was able to stay with him easlily in the turns. Of course he pulled away on the 5/8 mile straight.
My only problem is lack of horsepower. If I had another 50 or so I could have stayed with that turbo due my lower weight.
This is where the Anderson car makes up the difference. He has a 3.1L high compression race motor. Of course this puts him in V5 vs my V7 car.
Don't doubt the speed potential of normally aspirated 944. Sure stock for stock they may be overmatched, but with a little work....
This is in Normally Aspirted 944 with 150 hp weight reduce to 2450 lbs with solid, but not a full blown race suspension. Total value is probably about $7000.
Granted the both drivers in E-Stock and D-Stock were not fanstatic, but these were also my first two races.
My 944 race car is faster than my 944 Turbo S street car on the track. In my last race there was a F-Stock 944 Turbo, but with his chip in place, driven by a very experineced driver with a well sorted suspension. I was able to stay with him easlily in the turns. Of course he pulled away on the 5/8 mile straight.
My only problem is lack of horsepower. If I had another 50 or so I could have stayed with that turbo due my lower weight.
This is where the Anderson car makes up the difference. He has a 3.1L high compression race motor. Of course this puts him in V5 vs my V7 car.
Don't doubt the speed potential of normally aspirated 944. Sure stock for stock they may be overmatched, but with a little work....
11-07-2002, 06:26 PM
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Whoops! I really didn't mean to come across as "bloodthirsty" with my San Diego brethren! I wasn't being accusatory, just honestly curious. Cuz we're trying to squeeeeeze the most performance out of our car,too, while avoiding the red $$$$$ group and the big DQ situation. Sergio Nardi with the POC made a "big finger waggin' point" <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" /> at the last Willow Springs driver's meeting about everybody recalculating their points and having their points sheets available for 2003. Sounds to me like the POC is getting as serious about cheating as the PCA club racing stewards. That's fine with me.
But seriously, I don't want to be known as anything but what I really am; a happy, friendly, helpful guy. Just ask my boyfriend, Rodolfo!
Oh, and I beat both Schumacher brothers 3 times while I was on a karting vacation in Germany. TC
But seriously, I don't want to be known as anything but what I really am; a happy, friendly, helpful guy. Just ask my boyfriend, Rodolfo!
Oh, and I beat both Schumacher brothers 3 times while I was on a karting vacation in Germany. TC
11-07-2002, 06:51 PM
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RSAErick, the 944 platform has huge potential. It's not that difficult to make it turn very quick lap times. While it's difficult to get the horse power out of the 944 motor to match the 911 motors, we KILL them in the turns, especially the fast turns. And don't even attempt trail braking along side the 944 if you're in a 911. We have around 200 hp right now, with a stock head, stock headers. So the car isn't blinding fast on the straights ,but the overall lap times are very respectable. And the cost...........the stripped chassis with cage,seat, harnesses, and all the good suspension mods plus a brand new ANDERSON MOTORWORKS normally aspirated engine.....under $15K. Unbelievable. I'm having a blast! (I must have 30K into my street/track 911S <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> ) Cheers!TC
11-07-2002, 06:55 PM
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We are ran the last event with stock motronics backed by a simple adjustable fuel pressure regulator. 944 Turbo injectors. Custom Cam. Stock lifters and valves, along with stock valve springs. Basically the head is bone stock, accept the cam. We ran the stock airbox and stock air filter. Now the bottom half is not stock any any stretch of the imagination. This is where we make the difference. I took a 2.5 liter late model block. Bored it to 106mm, sleeved with rollsroyce chromoly sleeves. I finish the bore with my personal dimensions (taper, clearance etc etc). The pistons are JE 14:1 compression forged. I used total seal rings. The crank is knife edged and lightened (by 13lbs), cross drilled and plugged. It is a 3 liter crank. Rods are stock turbo forged rods that have been carefully weighed and matched. We are running no balance shafts. No power steering. THe last time out we even ran the stock exhaust manifolds.
The motor is strong, compression checks in at 280PSI each cylinder. Leakdown is 1% accross the board. We run what comes out be about 108 octane (we mix a little high, with a little low).
The clutch assembly is a super lightweight aluminum package, with a nice sticky disk.
We are staying within the rules for our group and will nee to balast with some lead. But As I see it, we are not exploiting any loop holes in the rule book to go fast.
The car is fast, and we did put plenty of 911's behind us and a couple 944 turbos as well. I will continue to build on the motor. We are adding headers for the November race. Along with more tire.
Next year I will be doing some headwork, valve size remaining stock of course, but the lifters will be changed to solid, and the valves/springs will be lighter and stronger to sustain constant high reving near the 8K mark.
Thats how we do it.
Take Care!
We are ran the last event with stock motronics backed by a simple adjustable fuel pressure regulator. 944 Turbo injectors. Custom Cam. Stock lifters and valves, along with stock valve springs. Basically the head is bone stock, accept the cam. We ran the stock airbox and stock air filter. Now the bottom half is not stock any any stretch of the imagination. This is where we make the difference. I took a 2.5 liter late model block. Bored it to 106mm, sleeved with rollsroyce chromoly sleeves. I finish the bore with my personal dimensions (taper, clearance etc etc). The pistons are JE 14:1 compression forged. I used total seal rings. The crank is knife edged and lightened (by 13lbs), cross drilled and plugged. It is a 3 liter crank. Rods are stock turbo forged rods that have been carefully weighed and matched. We are running no balance shafts. No power steering. THe last time out we even ran the stock exhaust manifolds.
The motor is strong, compression checks in at 280PSI each cylinder. Leakdown is 1% accross the board. We run what comes out be about 108 octane (we mix a little high, with a little low).
The clutch assembly is a super lightweight aluminum package, with a nice sticky disk.
We are staying within the rules for our group and will nee to balast with some lead. But As I see it, we are not exploiting any loop holes in the rule book to go fast.
The car is fast, and we did put plenty of 911's behind us and a couple 944 turbos as well. I will continue to build on the motor. We are adding headers for the November race. Along with more tire.
Next year I will be doing some headwork, valve size remaining stock of course, but the lifters will be changed to solid, and the valves/springs will be lighter and stronger to sustain constant high reving near the 8K mark.
Thats how we do it.
Take Care!
11-08-2002, 01:31 PM
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Hey Tim,
Though you aren't running for a championship, other people are. If you are "running a bit light....haven't bought lead weights yet..." and effect the outcome of the race for others, I think that is very bad form.
With your times, you can easily force someone pushing hard for that 3rd place trophy back a spot or two, and out of the top 3 for year end results.
Even if you run exhbition class, you can have negative consequences for others. I, for one, think that only cars running in proper classes should be allowed to run. No exhibition, no second drivers in red group cars, etc. Back when I was on the POC board we did remove red cars for the orange group, though I do not know what the current policy it.
Just my opinion...
Though you aren't running for a championship, other people are. If you are "running a bit light....haven't bought lead weights yet..." and effect the outcome of the race for others, I think that is very bad form.
With your times, you can easily force someone pushing hard for that 3rd place trophy back a spot or two, and out of the top 3 for year end results.
Even if you run exhbition class, you can have negative consequences for others. I, for one, think that only cars running in proper classes should be allowed to run. No exhibition, no second drivers in red group cars, etc. Back when I was on the POC board we did remove red cars for the orange group, though I do not know what the current policy it.
Just my opinion...
11-08-2002, 03:20 PM
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HI Craig,
YOur correct, and your point is well taken.
We didn't expect the car to do as well as it did last time out. Infact, we were thinking 37's and maybe a 35 at best. We also thought the car weighed more round the 24/2500 area. We didn't get the car weighed until we were at the track.
I do understand what your saying, and you are 100% correct. The issue regarding our weight will be delt with and taken care of.
YOur correct, and your point is well taken.
We didn't expect the car to do as well as it did last time out. Infact, we were thinking 37's and maybe a 35 at best. We also thought the car weighed more round the 24/2500 area. We didn't get the car weighed until we were at the track.
I do understand what your saying, and you are 100% correct. The issue regarding our weight will be delt with and taken care of.
11-08-2002, 03:47 PM
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As for "Mr." walkers past exploits on the POC board of directors...
This is why they impeached you Mr. Walker. Your blatant bias towards any car using water and having it's motor placed forward of the driver's compartment...a "gross perversion of power" is what i "think" they called it.
Please let the 944 live in peace...we just want to have fun like the taildraggers do. We dont mind living in your shadow either...
Sincerely,
"not mitch"
This is why they impeached you Mr. Walker. Your blatant bias towards any car using water and having it's motor placed forward of the driver's compartment...a "gross perversion of power" is what i "think" they called it.
Please let the 944 live in peace...we just want to have fun like the taildraggers do. We dont mind living in your shadow either...
Sincerely,
"not mitch"
11-08-2002, 04:12 PM
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Glad to hear that John. And don't forget that there are people battling for championships in the middle and end of the pack, as well as at the front. You could inadvertantly find yourself seperating the 1st and second place contenders in
R6 or R7.
As for my alleged impeachment (waves finger Bill Clinton style), "I did not have sexual relations with that 944!"
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R6 or R7.
As for my alleged impeachment (waves finger Bill Clinton style), "I did not have sexual relations with that 944!"
;p
11-08-2002, 04:30 PM
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Craig, I understand your position. We weren't planning on taking any points or positions from anyone. If I came in 6th or 8th in Orange I would feel great about it, but would decline the position in the official results. I've tried to make myself aware of who is in the running for the championship in V3 and, out of respect and consideration, I will wave them by, just like I did at the last event. I can assure you our team is not there to get in the way or spoil anybody's fun. We're there to learn for 2003. Part of what we need to learn is how to spend our points. We pretty much have to spend some track time to see what works better. We know we want to remain in the orange run group. We're pretty sure we're going to be in V3/R5. We're just finding out how to "configure" the points. If this post didn't make you feel better about our team being out there, feel free to email me at work. timc@Finaltouchgraphix.com Thanks.
11-08-2002, 05:23 PM
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Craig, John Anderson beat me to posting a response. But I want to add, I understand your concern. If we finished 6th or 8th, I would decline the points for the position. We're not there to spoil anybody's fun or get in the way of anyone's championship efforts. I've tried to make myself aware of who's running for the championship in V3/R5 and I would, out of respect and consideration,wave them by, just like I did at the last event. We don't want any points right now, we're there to learn for 2003. Part of what we need to learn is how to spend our points and you pretty much have to spend some time on the track to see actual results. We want to remain in the Orange group and we're pretty sure we're going to be in the V3/R5 class. I actually placed the car in V4/R6 at the last event because we thought the car was heavier than it really is (based on the previous owner's claim). As John said, we'll make it right. If this doesn't make you comfortable with our team being out there and staying out of the way, feel free to email me at work-timc@Finaltouchgraphix.com And come say hi at the track.