944Cup

Geo:

Thanks for the well wishes on the series. Show them in ITS what for, for the 944. And, your always welcome to drop in and place with us anytime. Can't have too many 944's in one place, especially at the track.


Dave D. <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

Skip

[quote]Originally posted by belz:
<strong>You may want to consult with Greg Fordahl (Fordahl Motorsport / Seattle) he runs a 944 in ITS in the OR & NW Region SCCA. He also preps/services a "fleet" of 944 ITS cars.
Greg knows a few things about handling / driving ... he's a past SCCA auto cross National Champion (so is his wife!)
Sorry Skip! ... I'm giving away your secrets! </strong><hr></blockquote>

*If* I could get Greg to work on my car, I might consider taking it there for more than an alignment - as it is, that's all they've done to it (except the cage - which we don't need to discuss). Picking his brain is always fun, though. So far, the cars there are all shoestring budget - no real development going on - just cutting and pasting the accessories. Damn smart guy - and great driver.

S

Skip

[quote]Originally posted by fastfred92:
<strong>any info on what spring rates ( in lbs ) the common rear torsion bars equal ???<hr></blockquote></strong>

Try this: <a href="http://www.tech-session.com/Paragon/Info/944_tbar_rate_comparison.htm" target="_blank">944 Spring Rate vs Wheel Rate</a>


[quote]<strong>How about sway bar rates ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not sure - usually sold in matched sets for the application... 968 M030 (30/19), Weltmeister (28/22), Custom Hollow (~28/~22)

Skip

[quote]Originally posted by Paul Bloomberg:
<strong>I don't believe adj coil-overs are legal in my spec class, although I have them on my turbo : )<hr></blockquote></strong>

I thought they were - they're legal for SCCA ITS, AFAIK - PCA has been the only one to disallow them (not really, but kind of)

[quote]<strong>I simply wanted to know does it increase spring rate and if anyone knows what the spring rate of 250lb springs would be with removing 1 or 1.5 of the coil off the top of the spring. Most with camber plates have had to remove at least a coil to get the car down to a stock ride height anyway.<hr></blockquote></strong>

There are a few types of camber plates - the original design we carry does raise the ride height when using standard springs becuase there is no upper cup for the spring to sit in - the new Racer's Edge design allows the spring to sit in its' normal spot, so the lowering effect you get from 250# Welmeister sport springs is felt, ~1.5" lower than stock. Here's a picture to illustrate he difference:



Also, the front ride-height adjustable coil-over is acceptable in ITS, and so should be in any of the 944 Spec classes popping up. If not, please let us know - so we can pass the word. Thanks!

Paul Bloomberg

I was mistaken the coil-overs are legal in 944 spec on the front.
I am trying to get my suspension balanced. I currently have the paragon camber plates. 250lbs frt springs cut 1.5 coil and a weltmiester adj frt. bar, rear 30mm torsion bars, stock sway. Adj. konis all around.
I have a weltmiester adj bar and turbo bar for the rear as options.
The rear weltmiester sway bar was on the car when I picked it up after the 30mm torsion bars were installed and the oversteer was scary to me. That's why I have progressed to the smaller stock bar. Does this set-up sound right for what I have to work with? What would be optimal?
Paul the Rookie

Geo

[quote]Originally posted by Paul Bloomberg:
<strong>The rear weltmiester sway bar was on the car when I picked it up after the 30mm torsion bars were installed and the oversteer was scary to me. That's why I have progressed to the smaller stock bar. Does this set-up sound right for what I have to work with? What would be optimal?
Paul the Rookie</strong><hr></blockquote>

Paul, don't worry about it. Drive what makes you comfortable. As you get more comfortable, experiment. I don't believe there is a right answer. I personally don't like an understeering car. But even teamates on F1 teams will run virtually equal times when one driver prefers oversteer and the other prefers understeer. Go figure. That's why I say there is no right answer.