Notices
Racing & Drivers Education Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

WHAT is MORE IMPORTANT OIL PRESSURE OR OIL TEMP?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-19-2007, 03:21 PM
  #1  
reno808
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
reno808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the garage trying to keep boost down
Posts: 8,809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default WHAT is MORE IMPORTANT OIL PRESSURE OR OIL TEMP?

WHAT is MORE IMPORTANT OIL PRESSURE OR OIL TEMP or i am comparing apples and oranges?? What i am trying to do it not to ruin a bearing or damage anything due to oil. I am putting on a 951 S oil cooler along with the current oil cooler.
Old 01-19-2007, 03:47 PM
  #2  
Larry Herman
Rennlist
Basic Site Sponsor
 
Larry Herman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, NJ
Posts: 10,432
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Apples and oranges, guy. You need to have sufficient oil pressure 40~60 lbs to insure that a film of oil remains on the bearings, and the temperature has to be in a reasonable range 160~220 degrees F for best lubricating qualities. Outside of any of these parameters, you are asking for problems.
__________________
Larry Herman
2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
2018 Tesla Model 3 - Electricity can be fun!
Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car

CLICK HERE to see some of my ancient racing videos.

Old 01-19-2007, 03:53 PM
  #3  
M758
Race Director
 
M758's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Phoenix, Az
Posts: 17,643
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

In a 944 engine pressure is more important. This is due to the weak oil flow to the number 2 bearing. However when the oil gets too hot the first thing is that the pressure drops.

I think you are worried about two oil coolers causing reduce oil pressure due to extra fiction. I do not think this is a concern. I believe the stock oil pump creates sufficent pumping pressure & volume to support and additional oil cooler.
Old 01-19-2007, 05:12 PM
  #4  
Veloce Raptor
Rennlist Member
 
Veloce Raptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Guess...
Posts: 41,789
Received 1,610 Likes on 836 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Apples and oranges, guy. You need to have sufficient oil pressure 40~60 lbs to insure that a film of oil remains on the bearings, and the temperature has to be in a reasonable range 160~220 degrees F for best lubricating qualities. Outside of any of these parameters, you are asking for problems.

Yea, verily
Old 01-19-2007, 05:22 PM
  #5  
smokey
Pro
 
smokey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 523
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Rule of thumb for a 951: never let the oil pressure drop below 4 bar at 6,000 rpm. Pressure is all that matters. Oil could never reach a temperature that could damage the bearings due to temperature alone. Different oils will have different viscosity at different temperatures, and Amsoil and Redline seem to be the best.
Old 01-20-2007, 07:58 AM
  #6  
reno808
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
reno808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the garage trying to keep boost down
Posts: 8,809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i use 20/50.
Old 01-20-2007, 08:08 AM
  #7  
enthusiast
Rennlist Member
 
enthusiast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Colorado
Posts: 2,240
Received 36 Likes on 28 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by smokey
Rule of thumb for a 951: never let the oil pressure drop below 4 bar at 6,000 rpm. Pressure is all that matters. Oil could never reach a temperature that could damage the bearings due to temperature alone. Different oils will have different viscosity at different temperatures, and Amsoil and Redline seem to be the best.
Your comment on the temperature is not clear. If the oils temperature limit is exceeded, it no longer performs to standards. The oil does not recover when it cools off and has to be replaced to provide proper protection to the bearings and to perfrom its other tasks in the engine.
Old 01-20-2007, 09:45 AM
  #8  
GhettoRacer
A Banned 'Haiku Victim'
 
GhettoRacer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: los angeles, san francisco, phoenix, tokyo, taipei
Posts: 2,367
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

If you only can have one, you'd want pressure of course. but really though, you need to keep both under control.
Old 01-20-2007, 11:58 AM
  #9  
RedlineMan
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
RedlineMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Vestal, NY
Posts: 4,534
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Obviously;

Pressure is the most important. Even 10psi is enough to keep it alive as long as this is not at full tilt. Pressure is pressure. More than seeing that you HAVE pressure, the gauge offers you the ability to monitor for CHANGES in pressure. If you're lucky, and have a gradual degredation, you can spot a trend early enough to save a grenade job. Otherwise, it is a complete fluke to look down, see zero staring at you, and get it shut off before it has melted.

In your case, I would want temp too. If you are tracking the car, you are pushing that engine moderately hard if you're running 16psi. I would want temp so that I could see the difference in cooling with the different setups. You could plumb the gauge in for the current setup, then switch it to read the drop after the 2nd cooler is added. There is no way to know how effective it is otherwise.

If I were you, I would get the temps from the current setup first to judge your need. Then, if you feel you need more cooling (over 230*), I would look into 1 modern cooler to replace everything. Cooler technology has come a ways in 20 years, and daisy-chaining coolers sometimes REDUCES the effectiveness because of increased restriction.
Old 01-20-2007, 12:11 PM
  #10  
reno808
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
reno808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: In the garage trying to keep boost down
Posts: 8,809
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

RedlineMan interesting. I have found this web site that can have both in one http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/temperaturegauges.asp maybe this should help with the delema
Old 01-21-2007, 02:46 PM
  #11  
A.Wayne
Formula One Spin Doctor
Rennlist Member
 
A.Wayne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: RPM Central
Posts: 20,448
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Oil pressure and oil temp are phased to each other . high oil temps will produce low oil pressure , 10 psi at 150 deg will offer more protection than the same 10 psi at 260 deg. you need to know both in order to protect and evaluate your engine's condition and oil pressure ...

Last edited by A.Wayne; 01-22-2007 at 02:41 AM.
Old 01-21-2007, 06:49 PM
  #12  
RedlineMan
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
RedlineMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Vestal, NY
Posts: 4,534
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by reno808
RedlineMan interesting. I have found this web site that can have both in one http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/temperaturegauges.asp maybe this should help with the delema
Yeh... neat...

But you go broke quick buying their stuff!



Quick Reply: WHAT is MORE IMPORTANT OIL PRESSURE OR OIL TEMP?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:10 AM.