17's - 18 or 19 inch wheels.
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Originally Posted by JackOlsen
While there's a theoretical advantage to shorter sidewalls, I don't think it will be nearly as significant as a change in tire width or overall diameter would be.
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Originally Posted by chrisp
keep in mind the tire is part of an entire suspension system. If your springs and damping rates aren't set up for a really stiff sidewall you can potentially lose performance going up in rim diameter. The same applies in the other direction. This is why street cars that upsize significantly lose a lot of performance - the sidewall is too stiff for the damping and spring rates.
an often overlooked gem of suspension knowledge here.
.....remembering driving a racecar on the road 500 miles on high profile tires and wishing that I had some stiffer sidewalls during the bouncy concrete patches......
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17" for me....
The added width I see with 18" over 17" on my NB car 993 ...is about 10mm. On the rear I run 275, with 18" I could go to 285. On the front I run 235, I could go to 245...10 silly millimeters. In tire sizes with my ABS, I need to keep tire rolling radius within about 5%, front to rear...if mismatched greater than about 5%, the ABS turns off, not good. As a result, my tire selection in 17", 18" and 19" is not as large as one would perceive.
Couple that with the note from Hoosier about 285/30/18 coming off the wheel...I am going to stick with 17" tires on my 993 NB coupe.
If I could slip anything bigger than a 285/30 into the rear wheel wells, I would consider it....but then..I have to consider front to rear rolling radius.
Couple that with the note from Hoosier about 285/30/18 coming off the wheel...I am going to stick with 17" tires on my 993 NB coupe.
If I could slip anything bigger than a 285/30 into the rear wheel wells, I would consider it....but then..I have to consider front to rear rolling radius.
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Originally Posted by Martin S.
Couple that with the note from Hoosier about 285/30/18 coming off the wheel...I am going to stick with 17" tires on my 993 NB coupe.
If I could slip anything bigger than a 285/30 into the rear wheel wells, I would consider it....but then..I have to consider front to rear rolling radius.
If I could slip anything bigger than a 285/30 into the rear wheel wells, I would consider it....but then..I have to consider front to rear rolling radius.
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Originally Posted by Martin S.
The added width I see with 18" over 17" on my NB car 993 ...is about 10mm. On the rear I run 275, with 18" I could go to 285. On the front I run 235, I could go to 245...10 silly millimeters. In tire sizes with my ABS, I need to keep tire rolling radius within about 5%, front to rear...if mismatched greater than about 5%, the ABS turns off, not good. As a result, my tire selection in 17", 18" and 19" is not as large as one would perceive.
Couple that with the note from Hoosier about 285/30/18 coming off the wheel...I am going to stick with 17" tires on my 993 NB coupe.
If I could slip anything bigger than a 285/30 into the rear wheel wells, I would consider it....but then..I have to consider front to rear rolling radius.
Couple that with the note from Hoosier about 285/30/18 coming off the wheel...I am going to stick with 17" tires on my 993 NB coupe.
If I could slip anything bigger than a 285/30 into the rear wheel wells, I would consider it....but then..I have to consider front to rear rolling radius.
#23
Originally Posted by Chris M.
You're running 275s on 17X9 rears and 235s on 17X7 fronts? Cup IIs?
#24
Originally Posted by Martin S.
That is what I am doing...I also think the 245 Kumho 710 would work on a 7" wheel, although "officially" the 7" wheel would be too narrow. I have seen 245 Kumho 710 on a 7" front...the sidewalls looked nearly vertical....but I choose to err on the side of caution..235 is as big as I'll go in the front, and 275 is it for the 9" rears.
#25
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Originally Posted by Chris M.
Are you using any spacers and did you roll the fenders? Any rubbing issues? You must have some serious negative camber.
My car was set up by Jae Lee at Mirage International in San Diego, CA. He also set up my kinematic toe....my car is on rails, I swear....
#26
Originally Posted by Martin S.
I do have some serious negative camber, about -3 up front and about -2.5 in the rear. I have ERP monoballs front and rear too. My fenders are not rolled and I have 0 rubbing issues.
My car was set up by Jae Lee at Mirage International in San Diego, CA. He also set up my kinematic toe....my car is on rails, I swear....
My car was set up by Jae Lee at Mirage International in San Diego, CA. He also set up my kinematic toe....my car is on rails, I swear....
#27
Originally Posted by tkerrmd
I thought one of the bigger reasons to go to a larger wheel (18-19) was to get larger brakes??
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I did some back to back runs on 17's and 18's, both with Hoosiers. I took some laps and had a pro do some laps on each. We were both faster on the 18's. His changes were smaller than mine because he was able to push the car on the 17's more and deal with the rolling over better than I was. Bottom line is the 18's worked better on my car with its stiff suspension.
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Originally Posted by cavlino
If your car is on rails it really means you are driving too slow
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From: RPM Central
Originally Posted by Greg Fishman
I did some back to back runs on 17's and 18's, both with Hoosiers. I took some laps and had a pro do some laps on each. We were both faster on the 18's. His changes were smaller than mine because he was able to push the car on the 17's more and deal with the rolling over better than I was. Bottom line is the 18's worked better on my car with its stiff suspension.
This is what i was looking for at the start of the thread with this kind of back to back, comparsions .
I wanted to see with no other changes than the wheels .
The 18" should be superior because of the smaller shoulder they tend to put more rubber to the ground for the same rolling radius, along with being stiffer. you will also have more leverage against the brakes , so hence the need for bigger brakes , not the other way around . i have worked on a BTCC car , and they use 19inch wheels , at the track i was at a BTCC volvo with 2.5L displacement was only 1 sec back of a 996 GT3R , could be driver difference i was not able to tell , but it was one hell of a High tech monster , and way too fast for a 2.5L.