most competitive car for F class?
01-03-2007, 03:09 PM
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If Ernie can do 2.08 in D, I don't see why Hupfer can't do 2.10. in F. ....especially if he had a nice tow around the high banking.
If Ernie can do 2.08 in D, I don't see why Hupfer can't do 2.10. in F. ....especially if he had a nice tow around the high banking.
01-03-2007, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MJR911
Larry, I KNEW that post would wake you up! 
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We made 204 rwhp with our fully rebuilt F class motor on a mustang dyno back in the day. What did your old steed turn at Cyntex before you overhauled and sold?
......We made 204 rwhp with our fully rebuilt F class motor on a mustang dyno back in the day. What did your old steed turn at Cyntex before you overhauled and sold?
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01-04-2007, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MJR911
http://www.pca.org/clubrace/track_re...ck-Records.htm
If Ernie can do 2.08 in D, I don't see why Hupfer can't do 2.10. in F. ....especially if he had a nice tow around the high banking.
If Ernie can do 2.08 in D, I don't see why Hupfer can't do 2.10. in F. ....especially if he had a nice tow around the high banking.
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01-08-2007, 05:01 PM
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Out of curiosity, what is the maximum wheel width allowed, front and rear, on an 85 Carrera while still being legal F?
01-08-2007, 05:09 PM
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I would say 9" front 10" rear as that is 1" above what was available that year from the factory.
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01-08-2007, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Hupfers motor isn't legal, or all of the stars aligned and it's the best one in the world. I've run against him a little, and seen his results over the years. There is no way that he can run a 2:10.9 in qualifiying on a HP track like Daytona based upon driving alone. He was 3 seconds faster than Gary Grigsby, and it is my understanding that handling is where the 968 has its advantage over the 911s. He then drove in Rod Johnson's 993 RSCS and could only manage a 2:10.4 in a car that should have almost 100 more HP. Phil Blackstone did a 2:07.6 in his RSCS. You do the math.
I don't think it is fair to compare his times in his car, to those in someone else's 100k car. Look at what happened to Phil's car with a guest driver, I am sure Hupher left a lot on the table and who knows how Rod's car was/is set up. I have raced against this SC but with a different driver and it does have a lot of hp. I had to really work to get around him at Road Atlanta a few years ago.
01-08-2007, 05:56 PM
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Max 8s and 9s for an F class 911 Carrera. The 911 3.2 Carrera never had wider than 7 / 8 stock.
15" 7/8 combo earlier, 16" 6/8 combo later to make them handle worse but look cooler
Don't know if they ever used 7s on the fronts of the later ones but I think they are grandfathered in.
15" 7/8 combo earlier, 16" 6/8 combo later to make them handle worse but look cooler
Don't know if they ever used 7s on the fronts of the later ones but I think they are grandfathered in.
01-08-2007, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Fishman
I haven't seen it happen but have heard from several that Hupfer's engine has been gone through numerous times and nothing was found illegal. Honestly can't imagine why he would cheat since he is so far ahead of the next guy. Not a very good cheater if that is the case, and he certainly doesn't hold anything back.
I don't think it is fair to compare his times in his car, to those in someone else's 100k car. Look at what happened to Phil's car with a guest driver, I am sure Hupher left a lot on the table and who knows how Rod's car was/is set up. I have raced against this SC but with a different driver and it does have a lot of hp. I had to really work to get around him at Road Atlanta a few years ago.
I don't think it is fair to compare his times in his car, to those in someone else's 100k car. Look at what happened to Phil's car with a guest driver, I am sure Hupher left a lot on the table and who knows how Rod's car was/is set up. I have raced against this SC but with a different driver and it does have a lot of hp. I had to really work to get around him at Road Atlanta a few years ago.
And I am sure that Mark was easier on Rod's car, but Daytona is more HP than anything else, and even talking it easy in the infield will have less affect on lap times than at any other track.
01-08-2007, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Greg, I certainly do acknowledge that Mark is a top notch driver, and his car is setup as good as it can be, but he just showed too much horsepower at Daytona, and that does leave one wondering. There was a guy out East here, Oliver Zitzman, who had an awesome C2. Dan Jacobs swore that his motor was legal, but he regularly pulled Carreras down the straight, and that should not happen. So either the motors are amazing examples of blueprinting to absolute perfection, or they are not quite stock in ways that cannot be determined.
And I am sure that Mark was easier on Rod's car, but Daytona is more HP than anything else, and even talking it easy in the infield will have less affect on lap times than at any other track.
And I am sure that Mark was easier on Rod's car, but Daytona is more HP than anything else, and even talking it easy in the infield will have less affect on lap times than at any other track.
I don't know Mark so I don't have a dog in this fight, but that guy has been around PCA racing for a long time and if he was cheating I would like to think it would have been found out by now. His car sticks out like a sore thumb on the timing sheets.
01-08-2007, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Fishman
His car sticks out like a sore thumb on the timing sheets.
Gotta link to that video Greg?
01-08-2007, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris M.
That's the truth. I know Putnam isn't a hp track but lapping within a second of the B class lap record-holding 996 GT2 is pretty impressive.
Gotta link to that video Greg?
Gotta link to that video Greg?
Race 1st video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH3DwkvZB2Q
Race 2nd video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmuJIfFU5ag
Race 3rd video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAWR7Ijo4e0
01-08-2007, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Fishman
I don't know Mark so I don't have a dog in this fight, but that guy has been around PCA racing for a long time and if he was cheating I would like to think it would have been found out by now. His car sticks out like a sore thumb on the timing sheets.
