Are all Spins/Offs Created Equal?
10-23-2006, 10:55 PM
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A bit off topic, but you will find that novice/intermediate drivers tend to spin more after the apex while advanced drivers more foten spin before the apex.
Novces go in ragged, less than full speed and off line then screw things up. Advanced drivers on on line and on the edge. If they are too fast, they get caught at turn in.
Novces go in ragged, less than full speed and off line then screw things up. Advanced drivers on on line and on the edge. If they are too fast, they get caught at turn in.
10-23-2006, 10:56 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by jazzbass
Every PCA resion has the "we reserve the right to send anyone home who is driving in an unsafe manner" rule. So why the need for a zero-tolerance "2 spin" rule? The first rule covers anyone driving like an idiot, esp like JayP says - passing in turns, passing without a signal, etc, all of which are more dangerous than spinning IMO. I've never run with NNJR, but knowing that they consider dropping 2 off a "spin", and knowing that I may do that 3-4 times a weekend in Oak Tree makes me consider not running with them at all. I don't want to to blow a $600 weekend just because I hit some dirt on trackout a couple of times.
So the question isn't really "how fast should green group students drive" but more how is this 2 spin rule applied to an otherwise safe driver who happens to overcook a corner once or twice?
So the question isn't really "how fast should green group students drive" but more how is this 2 spin rule applied to an otherwise safe driver who happens to overcook a corner once or twice?
10-23-2006, 10:56 PM
#48
Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Are all spins & offs created equally?
HELL, NO !!!
Mine tend to be spectacular, and several have been on national TV !!! And I have the videos to prove it !!!
Top that, you pantywaists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HELL, NO !!!
Mine tend to be spectacular, and several have been on national TV !!! And I have the videos to prove it !!!
Top that, you pantywaists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10-23-2006, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TD in DC
Yes and it is a big but
Wow.
I didn't know we were allowed to have threads about that here.
Sincerely,
Sir Mix A Lot
10-23-2006, 10:57 PM
#50
Originally Posted by }{arlequin
har har... very nice. how 'bout we start counting self-induced body damage? 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19083454982728
Just goes to show that escaping damage is delicate balance of luck and skill . . . .
10-23-2006, 10:59 PM
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Ouch.
I blame that radar detector circle on the windshield!
I blame that radar detector circle on the windshield!
10-23-2006, 11:00 PM
#52
Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Wow.
I didn't know we were allowed to have threads about that here.
Sincerely,
Sir Mix A Lot
I didn't know we were allowed to have threads about that here.
Sincerely,
Sir Mix A Lot
10-23-2006, 11:01 PM
#53
Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Ouch.
I blame that radar detector circle on the windshield!
I blame that radar detector circle on the windshield!
BTW, a fellow rennlister just sent me an awesome video of that same incident from behind me. Really amazing. Maybe I can convince him to post it on google video . . .
10-23-2006, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Are all spins & offs created equally?
HELL, NO !!!
Mine tend to be spectacular, and several have been on national TV !!! And I have the videos to prove it !!!
Top that, you pantywaists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HELL, NO !!!
Mine tend to be spectacular, and several have been on national TV !!! And I have the videos to prove it !!!
Top that, you pantywaists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10-23-2006, 11:19 PM
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The car has been sold, unfortunately. 
It was a BMW 330. When it ran (or, should I say, if & when it ran), it was a very good car that often elicited ramming-speed love taps from the chrome horns of cars in a higher class whose drivers were shocked that such a feeble, underpowered car could school them in the curves over & over again. So they would use our car as their braking marker at the end of long straights...
I will try to upload & post one such fiasco from last year at Barber. I got 5 whole minutes of uninterrupted screen time on Speed TV. W00t!!!!!!
It was a BMW 330. When it ran (or, should I say, if & when it ran), it was a very good car that often elicited ramming-speed love taps from the chrome horns of cars in a higher class whose drivers were shocked that such a feeble, underpowered car could school them in the curves over & over again. So they would use our car as their braking marker at the end of long straights...
I will try to upload & post one such fiasco from last year at Barber. I got 5 whole minutes of uninterrupted screen time on Speed TV. W00t!!!!!!
10-23-2006, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
Mine tend to be spectacular, and several have been on national TV !!! And I have the videos to prove it !!!
Top that, you pantywaists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Top that, you pantywaists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10-23-2006, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
The car has been sold, unfortunately.
It was a BMW 330. When it ran (or, should I say, if & when it ran), it was a very good car that often elicited ramming-speed love taps from the chrome horns of cars in a higher class whose drivers were shocked that such a feeble, underpowered car could school them in the curves over & over again. So they would use our car as their braking marker at the end of long straights...
I will try to upload & post one such fiasco from last year at Barber. I got 5 whole minutes of uninterrupted screen time on Speed TV. W00t!!!!!!
It was a BMW 330. When it ran (or, should I say, if & when it ran), it was a very good car that often elicited ramming-speed love taps from the chrome horns of cars in a higher class whose drivers were shocked that such a feeble, underpowered car could school them in the curves over & over again. So they would use our car as their braking marker at the end of long straights...
I will try to upload & post one such fiasco from last year at Barber. I got 5 whole minutes of uninterrupted screen time on Speed TV. W00t!!!!!!
10-23-2006, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TD in DC
Sure, in that respect, our experiences are different in terms of, oh, I don't know millimeters?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19083454982728
Just goes to show that escaping damage is delicate balance of luck and skill . . . .
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...19083454982728
Just goes to show that escaping damage is delicate balance of luck and skill . . . .
The best part is }{ laughing at the end....
10-24-2006, 02:37 AM
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er.... any novice driver (green, blue) shouldn't be spinning in the first place. i'd say thats the instructor's fault for letting the driver approach those situations.
on the other hand, i had a student who learned alot from a previous off (several weekends ago) and that helped us develop his skills in certain places on the track.
on the other hand, i had a student who learned alot from a previous off (several weekends ago) and that helped us develop his skills in certain places on the track.