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Old 04-25-2006, 06:33 PM
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Default Shock pressure gauges

I'm all kinds of excited because my new track car has Moton Remote Resevoir shocks. Now I hear that I really ought to have a shock pressure gauge. Rats - they are something like $500 and that's not a good place for me to be spending my now non-existent track budget.
I doubt that everybody with these shocks has a pressure gauge. What do most of you do? Borrow from a friend at the track? Have your mechanic check the pressure? Not worry about it?
BTW, Moton USA is really good about answering questions about setup. Very impressive.
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Here is what I use:

http://www.longacreracing.com/catalo...=1036&catid=19

It was only about $150.

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If you want to go cheap, get a Penske shock gauge from BSR
http://www.bsrproducts.com/pdf/PDFs_...0page%2070.pdf I think they are around $50.

I think the Longacre gauge is the way to go.
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Make sure you get one w/ no or a very short hose. With such a small volume in the canister, you will lose measurable pressure just to fill the hose every time you check if tjhe hose is more than a couple inches long. IMO, that Longacre hose is too long.

I have the red Penske and it works just fine. I think it was $125 or so.

I've been impressed with the support from Moton USA and even the head office in Europe and would highly recommend them to anyone looking for shocks.
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Jerome,

I've been told two different things about the length of the hose on the Longacre unit. First, several have said the same thing as you, that you lose pressure because of the hose. Others have said that the hose actually contains some pressure when closed off (which I kind of verified because I could hear some noise when I pushed the bleeder valve). I don't know which is correct.

I couldn't agree with you more on the Moton support thing. Lex has treated me exceptionally well, even though I do own the bottom of the line product. You would have though I bought some four way adjustables on a daily basis with the service I got.

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I have the red Penske and it works fine. I like the longacre but with the pressure in the hose quesiton, I figured why risk it....just get the penske.
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Here's another option from Genesis. Never heard of them but I checked the site that I bought the Penske and this is the one they are now carrying.

http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?fo...action=product
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Originally Posted by George A
Jerome,

I've been told two different things about the length of the hose on the Longacre unit. First, several have said the same thing as you, that you lose pressure because of the hose. Others have said that the hose actually contains some pressure when closed off (which I kind of verified because I could hear some noise when I pushed the bleeder valve). I don't know which is correct.

I couldn't agree with you more on the Moton support thing. Lex has treated me exceptionally well, even though I do own the bottom of the line product. You would have though I bought some four way adjustables on a daily basis with the service I got.

George
I think the issue w/ the long hose is that some of the canister gas is needed to pressurize the hose when you first attach it, meaning you lower the pressure that was in the canister and get an inaccurate reading. For example, say, you have 150# in the canister and the hose is 1/10th the volume of the canister. You attach the hose and equalize the pressure. You'd read ~135 psi on the gauge. You've lost at least a few # in bringing the hose up to pressure.

This means that if you just want to check to be sure your canister pressure is where it should be, you'll have to add a little gas to get it back to 150#. That means lugging out your bottle, hooking it up, filling, then bleeding back down.

I could see the hose being handy if the canisters are in a hard-to-reach place, but that can usually be overcome by proper planning.
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Thanks for that link I just ordered one. I used one with a hose this past weekend and added back 10 lbs. to the initial reading to compensate for the hose length. I look forward to this gauge and a more accurite reading.
I pressurized the shock by setting my LP regulator to the correct pressure and connecting it directly to the shock. I just didn't trust the hose and fittings.....


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Here's another option from Genesis. Never heard of them but I checked the site that I bought the Penske and this is the one they are now carrying.

http://www.hrpworld.com/index.cfm?fo...action=product
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I wonder if there are any electronic pressure gauges that would read up to 300 lbs. Using one of them to just check the shocks would cause almost no loss in pressure because those type of gauges have little volume to them.
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