DanS911

UMMM yeah
.......but this is a roll bar "quality" HARNESS BAR we put in her street car. We are still counting on Christal to keep the shiny side up!

A few pictures

DanS911

Mark
As I mentioned the bar is a snap to take in and out.
You will not want to be taking the lap belts in and out (the shoulder straps are attached to the bar).

In Christal's car the lap belts just tuck away along side the seats no problem. We set them up with that idea in mind.

While the setup may not be ideal, Christal is a novice(but rapidly improving!) driver in an otherwise totally stock car. As I said I believe she is safer and more secure. And she sure looks happy dosen't she!!!

Kool

That is very nice. I kind of figured that I was not being realistic.

Kool

Thanks for the info. I am realizing now that if I want to put belts in both cars I will need to do each seperately.

Owain

Yeah, that's definitely a HARNESS bar (as opposed to a harness GUIDE bar that most of them are). Lots of good triangulation. Very nice piece. I'll post some pics of mine this evening, it's quite similar (imagine that )

BTW, keeping the shiny side up is the goal. I've heard that 944 roofs are very strong, anyway. Not much worry (except for us worriers ).

Kool

Worriers tend to live longer.

Owain

Here's my old Weltmeister harness guide bar that was in the car when I bought it. Contrast that with the one posted above:

Owain

And here's the Redline Rollbar installed:

mitch236

Dan, you shaved off your beard!!!

SundayDriver

Dans911 -

I am curious about the photo of the shoulder belts. They appear to be installed backwards vs. all the instructions I have seen (belts overlapping/crossing at the buckle). Is this just for the photo? If that is the install, are you sure that is the way the mfg says to install these? (I do readily admit it has been many, many years since I used or installed the latch/link type belts.)

Just trying to make sure you have a safe installation.

RedlineMan

Hey All;

Mark brings up a good point. You DO always need to think a lot about doing things that are outside the realm of what the manufacturer "suggests." They will usually offer a very "vanilla" list of setup options for the "average" config. If there is any question, it is best to contact them and see what they say. Make sure to ask them "off the record" so you will get a real world answer, not one that is intended to be lawyer proof!

Having said that, Dan, it looks like you guys have done almost everything you can to make this particular group of components work optimally. Of course the stock seat/harness relationship is not the greatest, especially for someone of Cristal's height, but the H and crossing mitigate a lot of the defficiencies.

Regarding the crossing, that is probably a good idea. As Mark infers, they are usually crossed behind the seat, and crossing in front is kind of outside-the-box thinking. However, with the belts swapped for sides to reduce any tangles at the latch, it does add some more inward pull on the straps at shoulder height. Holding the shoulders is the goal, and while the belts do sit fairly wide on her shoulders, they will tend to pull inward when stressed. Of course it would be nice to see a pair of shells in place of the stock seats, but again, given these components, that is about as good as can be done.

To finish off the install, take the belt tails and tie them in a neat square knot under the stay point. That will reduce the likelihood that they will slide down the bar in an offset hit.

DanS911

Hey Guys,

Mark, thanks for caring.
I first started thinking about crossing the belts the first time I got into a students car with harnesses and stock seats. I was so insecure in the seats I was nervous the whole session. I had a hard time keeping the belts on my shoulders just driving around the track!
The second session I crossed them and they stayed put much better. I know it's just an assumption but I have to assume that the same would be true if they were tested, they sure seem to hold her in better.
I do not cross the belts in my car with the Momo seats in it.

John, thanks again.
The H-Strap in the back was not in the right place in the first picture. In the second picture, from behind, you can see that they are a bit higher up on the seat.

Mitch........yeah and dropped a couple decades too !!

CHEERS944

Yeah, we put alot of thought and effort into what was the best way to put everything together, and I feel very comfortable with the final result. Very snug!

owain: Do you still have your backseats or were they removed? Not that they were very useful to begin with, but mine are still there and pretty much just for show now!

John: You mean tie the ends of the 2 shoulder straps together, right? To keep them joined at another point?

Owain

I still have the rear seat bottoms in there, they don't weight much and can stay until I get around to putting in some carpet or something. The problem with removing the folding seat-back is that it almost renders the rear hatch area useless, too. Anything back there that rolls or slides around will eventually find it's way into the rear foot-wells :P. I'll have to fab up something that doesn't weigh quite as much as the seat-back to separate the cargo area from the people area. The car gets used for every-day stuff, too Maybe I'll just put it back in (if it'll fit).

But, you're right: the rear seats were pretty much useless before putting in the roll bar, but now...

Your set-up looks great. Very nice solution to the problem of not having a specialised seat to use. Much more economical and it sounds like it should be quite secure.

SundayDriver

The concern I have with the criss-cross is that it will induce some unintended side loads at the pass through at the buckle. This could potentially casue the belt to load to one side in a crash and tear, much like belt dumping at an adjuster. I am going through the process of installing new belts and the Schroth docs are very strict about ensuring that the right buckle is in the correct side - that are also small angles.

Unless the mfg says that method of hooking up is OK, I wold personally look to a strap behind the driver to help keep the belts closer.