The ColorChange Question
#211
Race Director
Originally Posted by ColorChange
Z-man: One that understands and supports the concepts of trail braking, G-sum, etc. Preferably one that is fairly technical so that it will be easier for us to communicate. One that is extremely direct and operates on a fast bandwidth (talks and thinks quickly). Ideally high powered 911 experience, a proven racer, and DAS analysis expertise. Is this what you are looking for?
Your request sounds reasonable. If you are willing to put 'proven racer' & 'DAS experience' & 'one that supports trailbraking' as a "would be beneficial" but not a "definate requirement," I'd say that 90% of the DE instructors with PCA meet your requirements. Just this past weekend at The Glen, I overheard some instructors saying that many, if not most of the veteran instructors have a background in engineering. I think that's more than coincidence...
Regarding 'supports the concepts of trail braing,' why not take an 'early braker / early apex' type out and try to prove them wrong? A good instructor would be able to show you the difference and would be willing to listen to your viewpoints. Many times I've driven with an instructor and my technique was a little different than theirs - often they would say 'try this,' but if it didn't work for me, they would admit it. (Example: I had a nice rythm going through the Keyhole at Mid Ohio - an instructor showed me a different braking technique, and it totally messed up my smoothness there. He admitted that it wasn't working for me yet.)
It is ok to disagree with an instructor, but it is also good to try out different techniques.
-Zoltan.
#212
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by Z-man
I'd say that 90% of the DE instructors with PCA meet your requirements.
#213
Originally Posted by JC in NY
Really? I read his requirements list and thought the opposite, very few meet most of these criteria as far as I am concerned.
Like CC, I thought those guys were bozos who didn't understand the advantages of trailbraking. Unlike CC, I kept those opinions to myself. As I learned more, I came to understood that I was the bozo.
Anyhow, if you really want to find instructors that meet your requirements, I'd suggest finding a professional school and also finding regions that bring in professional drivers. It's not cheap, but when you are spending $50K+ on a 996TT, I think you and I might have a different notion of what constitutes cheap.
#214
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Originally Posted by JC in NY
Really? I read his requirements list and thought the opposite, very few meet most of these criteria as far as I am concerned.
It's all about semantics, and I guess I need to brush up on semantics.
-Z.
#215
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Originally Posted by Brian P
Anyhow, if you really want to find instructors that meet your requirements, I'd suggest finding a professional school...
#217
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Originally Posted by ColorChange
Geo, they only use long g now. There new cars will have lat and long g so I can get g-sum. When they have this, I will be going straight there.
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I am defining g-sum as the square root of the sum of the squares (particular value at any point on the track). The integreal of g-sum is just that, over a segment or the whole lap. If stack can export the data I can do my own formulas and graphs. I am assuming it can. I would do that analysis right there with the instructor unless he knew a better way. I can construct the data quickly.
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Greg F, I agree about the truth aspect. We had a couple in our region that no one could ever clock at within 2 seconds of what they *said* they were doing. We postulated that it was cheaper to chip the stop watch than the car....
Chris: Amen to 100ths or less in DAC VS seconds in training the 'wet ware.' There is no fast track, many have tried and the body shops love them.
Chris: Amen to 100ths or less in DAC VS seconds in training the 'wet ware.' There is no fast track, many have tried and the body shops love them.
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Originally Posted by Z-man
Ok, I leave you with an once of truth I learned this weekend at Watkins Glen - Early braking and early throttle is an effective way to go fast around a turn. (Thanks John! I have seen the light! )
-Z-man.
-Z-man.
"Slow In, Fast Out. Fast In, Dead Out" -Sir Stirling Moss
Last edited by RJay; 08-25-2004 at 10:19 AM.