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Old 09-23-2022 | 08:28 PM
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Luckily i was aware and why awareness is more important then speed in an advanced hpde.

from my car

https://youtu.be/ShARZRdo4X8

From the car behind me

https://youtu.be/saDznIUKbX4

Ill take thoughts from the peanut gallery as im always willing to learn. Due to good flaggers and drivers all were safe in the end.
Old 09-23-2022 | 08:41 PM
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I am not sure what the exercise is here....

I hope everyone saw the waving yellow and the dirt cloud.....if "luckily" you were aware...well, you need to make it so you don't need to be lucky.
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No exercise... i guess lucky was not a good word to add. I should have just said, i was aware. Just a reminder to all to stay alert, stay safe and share a vid.
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Maybe the visibility is better in person, but that flag station isn't super easy to see set back from the track like that. Not great for a blind turn.
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Originally Posted by stownsen914
Maybe the visibility is better in person, but that flag station isn't super easy to see set back from the track like that. Not great for a blind turn.

Not as bad as turn 4 at Laguna!
Old 09-24-2022 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by stownsen914
Maybe the visibility is better in person, but that flag station isn't super easy to see set back from the track like that. Not great for a blind turn.

Not really better in person, part of the problem is its on the other side of pit-in
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Old 09-24-2022 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by stownsen914
Maybe the visibility is better in person, but that flag station isn't super easy to see set back from the track like that. Not great for a blind turn.
At least it is on the same side of the track as the apex. Turn 4 at Laguna is a right hander and the flag station is on the left behind the fence. When you are busy on the track your eye has no reason to ever look over there except of the fact that you should know that the station is there. Why is it there? The only reason that makes sense is they don't want to block the view from the stands as the cars run down from turn 3 to turn 4.
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It appears that Start/Finish tower was unmanned?
Old 09-26-2022 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by De Jeeper
Luckily i was aware and why awareness is more important then speed in an advanced hpde.

from my car

https://youtu.be/ShARZRdo4X8

From the car behind me

https://youtu.be/saDznIUKbX4

Ill take thoughts from the peanut gallery as im always willing to learn. Due to good flaggers and drivers all were safe in the end.
OK...a thought from a nut in the gallery. You should know where the flag stations are. The waving flag was visible from a long way off. There was little danger-emergency here and I would have slowed much earlier.
Off subject...Maybe the problem I see is that you weren't wearing gloves. They work great in an accident, especially when the car's on fire.
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Originally Posted by Estoril
It appears that Start/Finish tower was unmanned?
Not sure why its like that? They do fly the checker there but there usually isnt someone in the box.

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Maybe the problem I see is that you weren't wearing gloves. They work great in an accident, especially when the car's on fire.
Valid point.
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Didn’t really look that close to me. I think a large factor was you weren’t going very fast (1:19 on prior lap - might have been early in the weekend/session).

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the station is on the inside of Pit out, not Pit in.

The blind corner makes the flag station even more important.
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When I was in the Novice group the person a couple of turns ahead of me was black flagged, he drove past where you pit out, he stopped and started backing up.
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From the second video, appears that maybe you had given the Camaro behind you a point-by on the straight, but they backed out before passing when they saw the waving yellow off in the distance. If so, heads-up driving by the Camaro. That could also explain why you might not have seen the yellow immediately—you may have been focused on getting the Camaro around you to the inside of the approaching turn. Glad all ok.
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The flaggers location is not ideal for the situation but in a DE I would have given a little pause if I saw that much dirt on the horizon. Unfortunate that there was no flagger at start/finish as a yellow there would have been ideal.

I love NJMP but their flaggers are sometimes not the best. A few years ago someone dropped a ton of oil at T2 during a race. Note the flagger looking down at her phone at T1 and at the same time there is a mess of cars and oil everywhere at T2. Luckily as I got my eyes up coming into the turn I came off throttle to narrowly avoid becoming part of the incident.




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