Z06 crash on the first turn
02-03-2022, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarwood
What talent did he lack? Not pressing the gas pedal? That's a skill?Yes, it's the car's fault.
What kind of garbage engineering cant stay on the road in a straight line?Are you saying he would not have crashed if there were no cameras?
The car crashed going in a straight line! What a joke!So, what's the point of track driving if you're going to drive 30 mph around a track? LOL.What skill does he lack? Driving like a granny who can't find the gas pedal?
The car is in a straight line and he gives some gas and the car wipes out.
I have floored tons of cars and never wiped out like that.
Car is a pile of trash.How was he in over his head?
He gave gas and the car flipped the **** out, LOL.
What kind of garbage engineering cant stay on the road in a straight line?Are you saying he would not have crashed if there were no cameras?
The car crashed going in a straight line! What a joke!So, what's the point of track driving if you're going to drive 30 mph around a track? LOL.What skill does he lack? Driving like a granny who can't find the gas pedal?
The car is in a straight line and he gives some gas and the car wipes out.
I have floored tons of cars and never wiped out like that.
Car is a pile of trash.How was he in over his head?
He gave gas and the car flipped the **** out, LOL.
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02-03-2022, 06:45 PM
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Corvettes, especially C7 ZO6s, are not easy cars to drive, even with a lot of experience. There is a huge amount of power for the balance of the chassis. They come with multiple levels of nannies for a reason, and the OP had all but one level defeated. These cars break away in a heartbeat and are difficult to save. I was also alarmed at the A pillar damage. It is near impossible to mount a roll bar in these due to the aluminum frame. When I had my C7 Vette (very briefly), I took comfort in the fact that it had such a low center of gravity, I thought it would be almost impossible to roll. And I was told by Tadge Juechter that the aluminum in the A piller could hold 3x the weight of the car.
So the warning for instructors who draw this straw...keep the nannies on. Also, many owners put a harness bar in (again, without a roll bar) passing the belts through the "sport seat" shoulder holes. The belts are anchored too low posteriorly if this is done, and in this crash would have led to catastrophic consequences. So, use the stock 3 pts.
So the warning for instructors who draw this straw...keep the nannies on. Also, many owners put a harness bar in (again, without a roll bar) passing the belts through the "sport seat" shoulder holes. The belts are anchored too low posteriorly if this is done, and in this crash would have led to catastrophic consequences. So, use the stock 3 pts.
02-03-2022, 07:05 PM
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The following analysis is based on my own research when I was preparing my 2017 Callaway Grand Sport for the track. I'm not a safety engineer, nor do I play one on TV. But I take my safety seriously.
AFAIK, only the Brey-Krause harness bar is at the correct height relative to the average height of the shoulders of the driver to prevent compression injuries in the event of a frontal impact. If the bar is too low, it will cause spinal compression in the case of a frontal impact. The installation complexity and higher price make this bar less popular. The GM "sport" seats don't have the shoulder pass through holes in the correct place, nor do they have a pass through for the crotch belt. So, using aftermarket seats and a Brey-Krause bar would provide the optimal protection in the case of a frontal impact. However, in the case of a rollover, like we see here...a 6 pt. would restrict your ability to duck when the roof collapses, and you'd break your neck. You could see the broken helmet of the passenger in this crash, and that guy could only have survived by NOT being held in place by a 6 pt. belt, given the pancaking of the roof.
AFAIK, only the Brey-Krause harness bar is at the correct height relative to the average height of the shoulders of the driver to prevent compression injuries in the event of a frontal impact. If the bar is too low, it will cause spinal compression in the case of a frontal impact. The installation complexity and higher price make this bar less popular. The GM "sport" seats don't have the shoulder pass through holes in the correct place, nor do they have a pass through for the crotch belt. So, using aftermarket seats and a Brey-Krause bar would provide the optimal protection in the case of a frontal impact. However, in the case of a rollover, like we see here...a 6 pt. would restrict your ability to duck when the roof collapses, and you'd break your neck. You could see the broken helmet of the passenger in this crash, and that guy could only have survived by NOT being held in place by a 6 pt. belt, given the pancaking of the roof.
02-03-2022, 07:16 PM
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Apperently it is, as proven by the video.
Actually, the talent would have been applying the correct amount power for the conditions.
u posted the video and comments u should not get all butthurt when when people speak the truth
02-03-2022, 07:20 PM
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Some call it throttle steering. I call it dancing.
02-03-2022, 07:30 PM
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The following analysis is based on my own research when I was preparing my 2017 Callaway Grand Sport for the track. I'm not a safety engineer, nor do I play one on TV. But I take my safety seriously.
AFAIK, only the Brey-Krause harness bar is at the correct height relative to the average height of the shoulders of the driver to prevent compression injuries in the event of a frontal impact. If the bar is too low, it will cause spinal compression in the case of a frontal impact. The installation complexity and higher price make this bar less popular. The GM "sport" seats don't have the shoulder pass through holes in the correct place, nor do they have a pass through for the crotch belt. So, using aftermarket seats and a Brey-Krause bar would provide the optimal protection in the case of a frontal impact. However, in the case of a rollover, like we see here...a 6 pt. would restrict your ability to duck when the roof collapses, and you'd break your neck. You could see the broken helmet of the passenger in this crash, and that guy could only have survived by NOT being held in place by a 6 pt. belt, given the pancaking of the roof.
AFAIK, only the Brey-Krause harness bar is at the correct height relative to the average height of the shoulders of the driver to prevent compression injuries in the event of a frontal impact. If the bar is too low, it will cause spinal compression in the case of a frontal impact. The installation complexity and higher price make this bar less popular. The GM "sport" seats don't have the shoulder pass through holes in the correct place, nor do they have a pass through for the crotch belt. So, using aftermarket seats and a Brey-Krause bar would provide the optimal protection in the case of a frontal impact. However, in the case of a rollover, like we see here...a 6 pt. would restrict your ability to duck when the roof collapses, and you'd break your neck. You could see the broken helmet of the passenger in this crash, and that guy could only have survived by NOT being held in place by a 6 pt. belt, given the pancaking of the roof.
But it is not as simple as just stick with the 3pts for safety.
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02-03-2022, 09:54 PM
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02-03-2022, 10:32 PM
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Ignore him and he goes away
02-03-2022, 11:34 PM
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02-03-2022, 11:59 PM
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02-04-2022, 12:50 AM
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02-04-2022, 07:45 AM
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Seems like car performance is literally unusable and is actually a net negative.
Horsepower wars have officially jumped the shark when you can't even give gas in a straight line.
What a total joke the sports car industry has become!
Talent = Drive the car like a Beetle? If so, just buy a 200hp to 300hp car ?
Anything beyond that is a dick pissing contest that can't even be used.