Starting to get faster - question for the instructors
10-02-2020, 02:59 PM
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I love playing in the snow. 
It doesn't really translate to the MUCH higher speeds on a dry track though.
I really wish some DE group would set up a skidpad as a regular part of the programme.
It doesn't really translate to the MUCH higher speeds on a dry track though. I really wish some DE group would set up a skidpad as a regular part of the programme.
10-02-2020, 06:53 PM
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10-02-2020, 07:09 PM
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Trillium club does this at Mosport for their events. I found this out recently.
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10-02-2020, 07:40 PM
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10-05-2020, 11:38 AM
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10-05-2020, 01:04 PM
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Anyway, T7 at WGI is a good example of where this happens to me. Up the hill, just after apex, on the throttle (but not yet on the floor), rear starts to step out, slight counter-steer, slight throttle breath, get control, GO. But I feel I lose a lot of exit speed in the process. Happens in T8, too.
I've seen you drive as we've been at many events together. You're improving all the time.
Skid pad is one key (as Luigi mentions), and driving in a snow covered parking lot (without other cars near you obviously) is another key learning exercise in oversteer/understeer and overall car control.
I have done both, and both have helped me learn to control the car better when things aren't going right.
A coach in your right seat (when you're ready) is clearly helpful. Get an instructor in your right seat at every opportunity. I do. Our NNJR instructors are usually more than willing to help and jump in whenever asked. I have had the same experience with other PCA regions as well. Niagara being one of the best in terms of instruction and coaching and learning, and The Glen is their home track.
See you at NJMP this weekend?
10-05-2020, 01:58 PM
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I'm actually doing NJMP with Schattenbaum next Thurs/Fri. Worked out better with my schedule. See you next time.
10-05-2020, 01:59 PM
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Enjoy the SB event. Good folks.
10-11-2020, 10:49 PM
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Not just experience but proficiency relative to the run group the student is in. The skills to move from blue to white are much higher than green to blue. We strongly believe that a student who has mastered these skills are a better driver and makes our events safer for everyone, not just the driver. We take a lot of flak from out of region drivers and instructors who insist we promote based solely on on-track observation and skills. When we ask they spend a session on the skid pad with our dedicated skid pad instructors, more often than not these folks have to go back down to the skid pad to sharpen their skills.
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10-12-2020, 09:40 AM
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Not mentioned here yet, but I found driving the swivel rear axle cars that Bertil Roos uses or at least did when I went through there 5 day program in 2017 very helpful. Driving a car through a turn as the back wheels turn out to create the initial stages of spin and what it takes to correct it was eye opening. Taught me car control at a level not possible on constant turn skid pad.
10-12-2020, 12:17 PM
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Not mentioned here yet, but I found driving the swivel rear axle cars that Bertil Roos uses or at least did when I went through there 5 day program in 2017 very helpful. Driving a car through a turn as the back wheels turn out to create the initial stages of spin and what it takes to correct it was eye opening. Taught me car control at a level not possible on constant turn skid pad.
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10-12-2020, 12:32 PM
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Not mentioned here yet, but I found driving the swivel rear axle cars that Bertil Roos uses or at least did when I went through there 5 day program in 2017 very helpful. Driving a car through a turn as the back wheels turn out to create the initial stages of spin and what it takes to correct it was eye opening. Taught me car control at a level not possible on constant turn skid pad.
They looked amazing. It was like there were training wheels that swiveled on the rear axles.
I wanted to try one but I wasn't registered for the class, so that was a no go.
Looked way more complicated than a skid pad as to getting a loose car back under control.
I believe it was indeed Bertil Roos.
Talk about drifting and car control. Wow....
10-12-2020, 12:32 PM
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They are called "slide cars" not swivel cars which I mistakenly referred to them as. They are still using them according to the website. You are correct, the rear steps out at a very low speed around 15mph to teach car control in a safe environment on the track. The better one gets at control, the quicker you can go. The concept is to introduce corrections early on in the spin without killing the car or yourself.
10-12-2020, 06:25 PM
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They are called "slide cars" not swivel cars which I mistakenly referred to them as. They are still using them according to the website. You are correct, the rear steps out at a very low speed around 15mph to teach car control in a safe environment on the track. The better one gets at control, the quicker you can go. The concept is to introduce corrections early on in the spin without killing the car or yourself.