Do lap timers encourage bad behavior?
#46
Thankfully, my sense of self-preservation usually kicks in before this happens, and probably why it hasn't happened to me.....yet.
Maybe that's why I don't run the fastest laps, but I do bring it home in the same condition I brought it in.
Win-Win, to me anyway. Expecting a crash is just NOT part of my track time experience, or expectations.
I'll run slower and keep the shiny side up. If the limit = crashing, I'll leave the limit to somebody else.
Yes, I'm a pu$$y, but a safe and courteous pu$$y.
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Having switched to a proper lap timer (AIM), it's amazing how much you can improve with a little analysis. I cannot imagine not using it in the future.
Harry's is a great tool, except I have seen it often used too much for the predictive laptiming to chase down personal records when the track environment is not conducive towards that. Knowing the club in question, there are a lot of high power cars and a lot of pressure given 5 run groups resulting in fewer and shorter sessions than many of the other clubs run in the nearby region.
Harry's is a great tool, except I have seen it often used too much for the predictive laptiming to chase down personal records when the track environment is not conducive towards that. Knowing the club in question, there are a lot of high power cars and a lot of pressure given 5 run groups resulting in fewer and shorter sessions than many of the other clubs run in the nearby region.
#51
Lap Timers are a blessing and a curse IMO, depending on how it's used. Too often a driver will spend too much time trying to validate any self analyzation while on track. A possible "paralysis my analysis" case. When this happens, tape over the timers and just drive. Ask youself if that corner was as good as it could be, then use the timer as a way to validate after the fact.
Any system that is not used during the run, but is used afterwards is the way to go. Any system that gives live feedback can be a slippery slope if the driver is prone to spending too much time focusing on the screens/lights.
Any system that is not used during the run, but is used afterwards is the way to go. Any system that gives live feedback can be a slippery slope if the driver is prone to spending too much time focusing on the screens/lights.
#52
There it is.. I've taped over laptimers (and center rear view mirrors too) when i've found a driver spends too much time looking in them.... I could care less about times when riding right seat and i'm plenty aware of position of cars behind us.
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-Mike
#55
It also pointed out exactly where my "driving slower" = driving faster that day.
-Mike
#56
Distractions are distractions. They aren't a good idea for a newbie who's already overloaded. They have more important things to focus on.
I feel that until you can drive relatively consistent laps in an unconscious manner, will data be helpful. At this point the extra distraction shouldn't be an issue.
I feel that until you can drive relatively consistent laps in an unconscious manner, will data be helpful. At this point the extra distraction shouldn't be an issue.
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Distractions are distractions. They aren't a good idea for a newbie who's already overloaded. They have more important things to focus on.
I feel that until you can drive relatively consistent laps in an unconscious manner, will data be helpful. At this point the extra distraction shouldn't be an issue.
I feel that until you can drive relatively consistent laps in an unconscious manner, will data be helpful. At this point the extra distraction shouldn't be an issue.
#58
The bottom line prerequisite is the driver must be able to keep focus and use the live data properly - I've had students who do not have this prerequisite and the live data distraction is not really a help.
-Mike
Last edited by TXE36; 06-05-2019 at 01:51 PM.
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The other items which most newer drivers fail to consider is that a "good lap time" is very relevant to the conditions of the day.
A slower lap may be a better lap on a given day because of the track conditions. Laptimers sometimes discourage this notion.
A slower lap may be a better lap on a given day because of the track conditions. Laptimers sometimes discourage this notion.
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Yes! The track is a dynamic thing. There are so many measures of the track surface that determine how much grip it has and if it's "fast." Places like NJMP and Brainerd change quiet a bit during the day and how much grip is available. Others like Watkins Glen are much more stable (though the Glen is starting to wear some).