Sebring Punt
02-25-2019, 11:52 PM
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Ha even in race conditions that should never happen especially not DE . To ever avoid this PL would have had to brake early anticipating a total lack of judgement move by the other car . Once hes in the brake zone its to late to react except maybe go to grass. Other driver is not only 100% at fault but they need to made aware that even if this was a club race we leave racing room and the fact that this is DE it inexcusable
I think the learning curve is very steep in this case and maybe clouding good judgement
I think the learning curve is very steep in this case and maybe clouding good judgement
02-26-2019, 06:40 AM
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Interestingly, the major emphasis in Chin advanced group is the ability to pass or be passed in the corner without losing speed. If someone is reported enough for bad corner passes they can be demoted to lower group to work on it. As such, they talk about and teach this over and over again. And it works. They also allow passing in corners for every group but novice so you get a lot of experience.
In other groups that I have driven with this was either never allowed or only in the most advanced group so you never got to practice and when you did you were going a lot faster.
Passing in the corners in a DE takes cooperation and awareness of where other driver is.
In other groups that I have driven with this was either never allowed or only in the most advanced group so you never got to practice and when you did you were going a lot faster.
Passing in the corners in a DE takes cooperation and awareness of where other driver is.
02-26-2019, 09:23 AM
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Correct Thundermoose ^^^^
Also I noticed that with Chin track days that the drivers in the advanced solo groups have better situational awareness and anticipate point buys much much better than the guys in Suncoast PCA....especially the Suncoast PCA Black group. Again as I’ve mentioned before...last Saturday at Sebring Suncoast PCA Black Group that point buys were horrible, driving lines and braking erratic. Not all...but most. Many black group drivers totally ignoring approaching cars and refusing to give point buys anywhere near a turn. Glad I was moved Pink.
I do have video of Mike the OP of this thread giving 2 quick point buys to 2 cars...1 was me and maintains his line in his car through and out of T7. He knows how to drive and I’ve been on track with him many many times.
Also I noticed that with Chin track days that the drivers in the advanced solo groups have better situational awareness and anticipate point buys much much better than the guys in Suncoast PCA....especially the Suncoast PCA Black group. Again as I’ve mentioned before...last Saturday at Sebring Suncoast PCA Black Group that point buys were horrible, driving lines and braking erratic. Not all...but most. Many black group drivers totally ignoring approaching cars and refusing to give point buys anywhere near a turn. Glad I was moved Pink.
I do have video of Mike the OP of this thread giving 2 quick point buys to 2 cars...1 was me and maintains his line in his car through and out of T7. He knows how to drive and I’ve been on track with him many many times.
02-26-2019, 10:40 AM
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Easy to Monday morning quarterback this. Yes, the GT3 driver was to blame here for a lack of situational awareness but the OP also needs to be aware that this is a DE environment and people's skill/comfort levels are going to be vastly disparate from the race environment.
In this situation, as the GT3 driver, I never would've taken that late pass. I would've just tucked in behind the SPB and waited until I had a better place to go by with more space. If I did take the pass, I would've stayed inside and made sure I got past the SPB cleanly.
As the SPB driver, when I noticed that the GT3 was taking a fairly late pass, I would've been off the gas and covering the brake early, in anticipation of the GT3 trying to take the line. That way if (when?) the GT3 did try and take the line, I could be on the brakes and avoid car to car contact. The "WTF?!" hand sign would've gone up and a discussion in the paddock with the CI and hopefully the GT3 driver would occur at the end of the session.
In this situation, as the GT3 driver, I never would've taken that late pass. I would've just tucked in behind the SPB and waited until I had a better place to go by with more space. If I did take the pass, I would've stayed inside and made sure I got past the SPB cleanly.
As the SPB driver, when I noticed that the GT3 was taking a fairly late pass, I would've been off the gas and covering the brake early, in anticipation of the GT3 trying to take the line. That way if (when?) the GT3 did try and take the line, I could be on the brakes and avoid car to car contact. The "WTF?!" hand sign would've gone up and a discussion in the paddock with the CI and hopefully the GT3 driver would occur at the end of the session.
02-26-2019, 10:44 AM
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Interestingly, the major emphasis in Chin advanced group is the ability to pass or be passed in the corner without losing speed. If someone is reported enough for bad corner passes they can be demoted to lower group to work on it. As such, they talk about and teach this over and over again. And it works. They also allow passing in corners for every group but novice so you get a lot of experience.
In other groups that I have driven with this was either never allowed or only in the most advanced group so you never got to practice and when you did you were going a lot faster.
Passing in the corners in a DE takes cooperation and awareness of where other driver is.
In other groups that I have driven with this was either never allowed or only in the most advanced group so you never got to practice and when you did you were going a lot faster.
Passing in the corners in a DE takes cooperation and awareness of where other driver is.
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02-26-2019, 10:56 AM
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"Ok, we're off line taking this pass, we're just going to stay out here, brake a little extra, stay on our side, good ... good... ok, check you mirror, make sure you're clear... good job... nicely done... "
02-26-2019, 11:23 AM
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This is another reason to look at how fast regions promote drivers. We have to allow that the GT3 may have "only" made a mistake, but the boneheaded move screams lack of experience.
Merely showing up for a certain amount of track days, or having a lot of horsepower, should not be the reasons to promote a driver to the next run group.
Merely showing up for a certain amount of track days, or having a lot of horsepower, should not be the reasons to promote a driver to the next run group.
02-26-2019, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
This is another reason to look at how fast regions promote drivers. We have to allow that the GT3 may have "only" made a mistake, but the boneheaded move screams lack of experience.
Merely showing up for a certain amount of track days, or having a lot of horsepower, should not be the reasons to promote a driver to the next run group.
Merely showing up for a certain amount of track days, or having a lot of horsepower, should not be the reasons to promote a driver to the next run group.
Spot on
02-26-2019, 11:59 AM
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This is another reason to look at how fast regions promote drivers. We have to allow that the GT3 may have "only" made a mistake, but the boneheaded move screams lack of experience.
Merely showing up for a certain amount of track days, or having a lot of horsepower, should not be the reasons to promote a driver to the next run group.
Merely showing up for a certain amount of track days, or having a lot of horsepower, should not be the reasons to promote a driver to the next run group.
And to pile on the Boxster did nothing wrong!!!!
And now back to avoiding PCA and running Chin.
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02-26-2019, 12:11 PM
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Easy to Monday morning quarterback this. Yes, the GT3 driver was to blame here for a lack of situational awareness but the OP also needs to be aware that this is a DE environment and people's skill/comfort levels are going to be vastly disparate from the race environment.
In this situation, as the GT3 driver, I never would've taken that late pass. I would've just tucked in behind the SPB and waited until I had a better place to go by with more space. If I did take the pass, I would've stayed inside and made sure I got past the SPB cleanly.
As the SPB driver, when I noticed that the GT3 was taking a fairly late pass, I would've been off the gas and covering the brake early, in anticipation of the GT3 trying to take the line. That way if (when?) the GT3 did try and take the line, I could be on the brakes and avoid car to car contact. The "WTF?!" hand sign would've gone up and a discussion in the paddock with the CI and hopefully the GT3 driver would occur at the end of the session.
In this situation, as the GT3 driver, I never would've taken that late pass. I would've just tucked in behind the SPB and waited until I had a better place to go by with more space. If I did take the pass, I would've stayed inside and made sure I got past the SPB cleanly.
As the SPB driver, when I noticed that the GT3 was taking a fairly late pass, I would've been off the gas and covering the brake early, in anticipation of the GT3 trying to take the line. That way if (when?) the GT3 did try and take the line, I could be on the brakes and avoid car to car contact. The "WTF?!" hand sign would've gone up and a discussion in the paddock with the CI and hopefully the GT3 driver would occur at the end of the session.
02-26-2019, 12:54 PM
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He started focusing on turn and it thought he was clear of you / inexperience / not that surprising
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02-26-2019, 01:12 PM
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This is another reason to look at how fast regions promote drivers. We have to allow that the GT3 may have "only" made a mistake, but the boneheaded move screams lack of experience.
Merely showing up for a certain amount of track days, or having a lot of horsepower, should not be the reasons to promote a driver to the next run group.
Merely showing up for a certain amount of track days, or having a lot of horsepower, should not be the reasons to promote a driver to the next run group.
02-26-2019, 01:19 PM
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Just to keep the discussion hopefully focused, I've been on the track a number of times with the owner of the GT3 and know him to be an experienced driver. Absent this incident, I would have said he was in the correct run group. I also think posting his personal information was inappropriate. While I feel sorry for the OP and the damage he sustained, I believe he should have used that information to contact the GT3 owner to discuss the incident
