deputydog95

Agreed on payment. Disagree on the apology.

In my case, I had video and the other driver was found at fault and subsequently, 13 13'd.

​If your ego is so big that you can't debrief and discuss an incident with the other parties, you're in the wrong sport. The least you can do is say you're sorry. Maybe buy the offended party a beer or two 😀

deputydog95

Not really a lot of contact in E class. I think you're confusing E car with PCA cup cars 😀

Fwiw, the car that torpedoed me was a G, maybe even an F car. Faster class regardless.

deputydog95

Did Joe ever make Stu whole on their agreement?

If he didn't, why not? Seems like the correct thing to do based on their agreement.

Frank 993 C4S

No, you have no obligation to offer payment but it is good sportsmanship to apologize. I had a guy hit me at Sebring 2 years ago and it took him over a year to finally apologize for ruining my race weekend. Not sure what prompted the apology as we had raced in the same run group at previous times but I really appreciated it. I still stay clear of him on track today.

fatbillybob

And if thing ever do get nasty there is that giant liability policy in SCCA's case, where the club lists each driver as an additional insured. Thankfully we are only talking about sheetmetal. An injury could be permanent or life threatening.even in HPDE or instructing.

jscott82

What concerns me is Joe's question. Sure the rules say everyone pays for thier own.. But we always hear of these unwritten rules... "gentlemen" will pay, only a dick would not offer to help.

That really worries me... If I make a mistake I want to make right, but the value of some of these cars could inflict serious financial hardship. If the expectation, even an unwritten one is to pay, it's probably best to not enter the ring.

Whole heartedly agree on the appology. If you are really worried about a confrontation at least send a note, or see if a third party will walk over with you.

MSR Racer

fatbillybob

LuigiVampa

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tcsracing1

(example) If Joe wants to run a (beautiful) high dollar 991 GT3R and get plowed by a rookie in a self serviced 996GT3 Cup.... Then that is the risk he accepts running that car as do all car owners. The 996 Cup owner even though is at fault, is by no means a dick for not offering to help pay for the repairs for a car worth as much as a house. It is just not feasable. And even if it were feasable, you can see what direction things would go.
My senario is extreme, but it is an example of why damage repairs cannot be expected to be paid. It leaves the door wide open. Club Racing would become parade laps as opposed to actual racing if everybody had to pay for accident damage. Not that we drive harder because it is a free pass, but you get the idea.

There is always 944 racing. Those are disposables with multple cars for parts in the owners backyards. Not a bad gig.

tcsracing1

This is true. Typically a ride in another's car (especially for a race) comes in the form of writing, contract etc, unless amongst "close" friends. (This sometimes dosnt end well)
The "eye for and eye" approach amongst friends is basically what you would expect if the shoe were on the other foot. If you both have owned or own race cars then you understand the deal.
When taking somebody elses car out on the track and putting wear/tear and hours on it, the least you can do is pay for the damage incurred and in the event of a total loss pay the agreed value or deductable and that is regardless if you rented it for the day or not. It is a generally an accepted rule across the board. Friends or customers.
Rental rate is not inclusive of damage.

Paid pros and Coaches also have their arrangements with their clients as you stated. Those can be different terms altogether.

stujelly

whoa, randy is back online....

good to see your still kicking

Joe T

Thanks for the comments. I wouldn't have asked if I believed the party at fault couldn't readily handle and easily afford to make things good. Maybe that doesn't matter. Curious as to how people viewed it...now I know.

I won't dignify the nonsense about VIR other than to say I'm happy to make the owner whole. As far as I am aware, based on the info I have received to date, the owner has made $ (better than whole) on this given the insurance payout, sale of transmission, sale of engine and my payment. With perhaps other valuable things still to sell. On top of that, he has a newer, nicer car. In hind sight, it would have been better for me to pay the deductible and take the car and sell off the parts. The owner knows how to reach me if we still need to sort any of this.

Izzone

Veloce Raptor

This