Thoughts on Crash Damage Responsibility?
#46
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99% of drivers think the other guy is at fault, which is why you can’t expect someone to pay for damage. One guy sees its a “he hit me” the other sees it as ‘he closed the door.’
I would not expect an offer to pay and I probably wouldn’t make one either. I’m also not sure you should expect a person to come talk to you after an incident; there’s a lot of ego in this sport and some be concerned there would be a confrontation.
I would not expect an offer to pay and I probably wouldn’t make one either. I’m also not sure you should expect a person to come talk to you after an incident; there’s a lot of ego in this sport and some be concerned there would be a confrontation.
Agreed on payment. Disagree on the apology.
In my case, I had video and the other driver was found at fault and subsequently, 13 13'd.
If your ego is so big that you can't debrief and discuss an incident with the other parties, you're in the wrong sport. The least you can do is say you're sorry. Maybe buy the offended party a beer or two 😀
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#48
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Did Joe ever make Stu whole on their agreement?
If he didn't, why not? Seems like the correct thing to do based on their agreement.
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#50
And if thing ever do get nasty there is that giant liability policy in SCCA's case, where the club lists each driver as an additional insured. Thankfully we are only talking about sheetmetal. An injury could be permanent or life threatening.even in HPDE or instructing.
#51
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What concerns me is Joe's question. Sure the rules say everyone pays for thier own.. But we always hear of these unwritten rules... "gentlemen" will pay, only a dick would not offer to help.
That really worries me... If I make a mistake I want to make right, but the value of some of these cars could inflict serious financial hardship. If the expectation, even an unwritten one is to pay, it's probably best to not enter the ring.
Whole heartedly agree on the appology. If you are really worried about a confrontation at least send a note, or see if a third party will walk over with you.
That really worries me... If I make a mistake I want to make right, but the value of some of these cars could inflict serious financial hardship. If the expectation, even an unwritten one is to pay, it's probably best to not enter the ring.
Whole heartedly agree on the appology. If you are really worried about a confrontation at least send a note, or see if a third party will walk over with you.
#52
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Yeah, paying for other’s cars is a slippery slope. I would like an apology and no more! I pay my own bills and I am usually glad to escape without personal injury. It is maddening and I love my race cars but they should be disposable. If not, you have no business in amateur level racing!
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What concerns me is Joe's question. Sure the rules say everyone pays for thier own.. But we always hear of these unwritten rules... "gentlemen" will pay, only a dick would not offer to help.
That really worries me... If I make a mistake I want to make right, but the value of some of these cars could inflict serious financial hardship. If the expectation, even an unwritten one is to pay, it's probably best to not enter the ring.
Whole heartedly agree on the appology. If you are really worried about a confrontation at least send a note, or see if a third party will walk over with you.
That really worries me... If I make a mistake I want to make right, but the value of some of these cars could inflict serious financial hardship. If the expectation, even an unwritten one is to pay, it's probably best to not enter the ring.
Whole heartedly agree on the appology. If you are really worried about a confrontation at least send a note, or see if a third party will walk over with you.
My senario is extreme, but it is an example of why damage repairs cannot be expected to be paid. It leaves the door wide open. Club Racing would become parade laps as opposed to actual racing if everybody had to pay for accident damage. Not that we drive harder because it is a free pass, but you get the idea.
There is always 944 racing. Those are disposables with multple cars for parts in the owners backyards. Not a bad gig.
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This is true. Typically a ride in another's car (especially for a race) comes in the form of writing, contract etc, unless amongst "close" friends. (This sometimes dosnt end well)
The "eye for and eye" approach amongst friends is basically what you would expect if the shoe were on the other foot. If you both have owned or own race cars then you understand the deal.
When taking somebody elses car out on the track and putting wear/tear and hours on it, the least you can do is pay for the damage incurred and in the event of a total loss pay the agreed value or deductable and that is regardless if you rented it for the day or not. It is a generally an accepted rule across the board. Friends or customers.
Rental rate is not inclusive of damage.
Paid pros and Coaches also have their arrangements with their clients as you stated. Those can be different terms altogether.
The "eye for and eye" approach amongst friends is basically what you would expect if the shoe were on the other foot. If you both have owned or own race cars then you understand the deal.
When taking somebody elses car out on the track and putting wear/tear and hours on it, the least you can do is pay for the damage incurred and in the event of a total loss pay the agreed value or deductable and that is regardless if you rented it for the day or not. It is a generally an accepted rule across the board. Friends or customers.
Rental rate is not inclusive of damage.
Paid pros and Coaches also have their arrangements with their clients as you stated. Those can be different terms altogether.
#58
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Thanks for the comments. I wouldn't have asked if I believed the party at fault couldn't readily handle and easily afford to make things good. Maybe that doesn't matter. Curious as to how people viewed it...now I know.
I won't dignify the nonsense about VIR other than to say I'm happy to make the owner whole. As far as I am aware, based on the info I have received to date, the owner has made $ (better than whole) on this given the insurance payout, sale of transmission, sale of engine and my payment. With perhaps other valuable things still to sell. On top of that, he has a newer, nicer car. In hind sight, it would have been better for me to pay the deductible and take the car and sell off the parts. The owner knows how to reach me if we still need to sort any of this.
I won't dignify the nonsense about VIR other than to say I'm happy to make the owner whole. As far as I am aware, based on the info I have received to date, the owner has made $ (better than whole) on this given the insurance payout, sale of transmission, sale of engine and my payment. With perhaps other valuable things still to sell. On top of that, he has a newer, nicer car. In hind sight, it would have been better for me to pay the deductible and take the car and sell off the parts. The owner knows how to reach me if we still need to sort any of this.
#59
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im around
just going back into DE, no more racing for me....I enjoy drinking beer in the pits telling lies more than burning money....and it’s expensive to stay / cheat at the top
at 44 YO I grew up racing, enough for me
i like watching the drama and egos on rennlist thou
just going back into DE, no more racing for me....I enjoy drinking beer in the pits telling lies more than burning money....and it’s expensive to stay / cheat at the top
at 44 YO I grew up racing, enough for me
i like watching the drama and egos on rennlist thou
#60
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
I’ve seen gentleman drivers do very stupid stuff, apologize and surprise the other part with payment.
It’s the gentlemen thing to do. I’d never expect it, but I would pay because I want to live with myself that way.
It’s the gentlemen thing to do. I’d never expect it, but I would pay because I want to live with myself that way.