Manifold

Agreed, very unprofessional and unsportsmanlike, and a blemish for F1. Even if the fault was attributable to Ocon, it's not like Ocon intentionally tried to interfere with Verstappen's race for the win. When highly competitive top drivers - who are still human - are out there racing, things like that will happen.

951and944S

LOL, you guys have short memories.




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okie981

Max's handling of this incident during and after the race demonstrates the same emotions that led to him getting upset after DR won the pole in Mexico and DR celebrated (rightly so). Everything that happens isn't for Max and about Max as he currently appears to react.

CCA

Neither acted wise in the race or after. Ocon could have waited to unlap himself with DRS on the straight, there was NO reason for the risky move with the leader those corners, his challengers weren't that close. And, Max should have been wise and not assumed Ocon had backed out, as he had more at risk and lost out BIG. Afterward, Max should not have pushed Ocon, however I can see how Ocon could illicit such action. He has a history, recalling his many encounters with Perez, where the two got together and he comes out with his Cheshire cat smile and says he did nothing wrong and doesn't know why the other driver is upset with him. I'm surprised Perez didn't beat the snot out of him long ago. Max and Ocon are both still young with their hormones still somewhat controlling their emotions. Maturity and experience doesn't happen overnight.

LuigiVampa

Versstappen got taken out by someone executing a move he himself has made many times. That being said, the only issue with the move for most people is that Ocon was a backmarker and Verstappen was in the lead. Where was Verstappen's maturity to realize the other guy had nothing to lose and he had everything to lose?

On the opposite side of the coin, those calling Verstappen's action immature after the race are living in a bubble. When you get out of the car and feel wronged it would take a personality very different from a competitive race car driver just to act "cool and professional".

ProCoach

951and944S says: LOL, you guys have short memories.


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FIFY...

Debo18D

I gotta say- if Vettel had been in the lead and Ocon had done this we would be on page 17 of this thread already with guys vilifying Ocon for stealing Vettel's chance. Just an observation.


Great race though. Most entertaining this year.



Debo sends.

multi21

This sequence of photos show that VER doesn't have sight of OCON after the top of turn 1. This was a really strange circumstance because if it was a battle for 6th as someone mentioned, then I truly believe it would have been ruled a racing incident and NO PENALTY would have been administered to either because both spun and that would have been penalty enough. However, the fact that a back marker is trying to unlap himself lends more weight to the situation and the obligation of the back marker to do so in a manner that does not create contact. As such, that's is why the FIA gave the penalty.

By the same token, as Hamilton said, Max could have been more careful as he had everything to lose. I don't know if this is the right analogy, but it's like the guy that doesn't lock his front door when he leaves the house and gets robbed. It's the burglars fault, but the guy could have locked the door to make himself less of a target of opportunity. Hamilton is about 10 years older than Max and Hamilton did some pretty bone headed things when he was that age too.

The aggresivenes of Max on the track and after the race only reinforces my belief that he is a future multi WDC -- Give no F's and head down in the style of Senna, Schumacher, etc.

Debo did not send

951and944S

Yep...., or Hamilton.

Missing from that Senna video was supposed video of Senna actually clocking Eddie Irvine.

A driver peer of the time, can't remember who, probably Gerhard Berger, told the press that "Senna had taken Judo classes in the off season and was waiting to try it out on somebody"...



Nigel Mansell had a crash that injured his leg around 1990 in the dominant WIlliams.
Mansell was over the top with a limp and some drivers thought he was overreacting.
In a driver's meeting Gerhard Berger, team mate of Senna, tapped him in the leg on purpose just to get a response from Mansell.

Taking away personalities makes for boring robotic racing.

Verstappen had two things to lose, yes, getting punted by a backmarker or getting stuck behind him in the sectors that followed with a 5 time WDC in a dominant car behind him.
Looked/sounded to me that he had full backing of his race engineer and Christian Horner for making the choice he did.

Just ordered myself another Red Bull/Verstappen cap......

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951and944S

Yes, agree, I mentioned it here before, but if Max can make a special relationship with Honda, the Japanese reward loyalty by going the extra mile.
They built "special" engine for Senna (according to Prost).
And as far as McLaren going public and making out like all of their deficiencies were Honda's fault, likewise, the Japanese do not take dishoner and public humiliation well.

If you guys caught the post race commentators interviews and talks, one of them made mention that,
McLaren designed their car and told Honda - "this is our car and this is the space you have to fit your engine"
Whereas Red Bull said - "give us the dimensions of the engine and we will build our car around it".

One of those is a winning philosophy, it's obvious which one....

Max Verstappen, WDC 2019-2021.

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951and944S

On a side, unrelated note, the Sauber looked pretty darned good.

LeClerc showed well and if Erikson hadn't had trouble, would have had a good result too.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if Kimi has multiple finishes ahead of LeClerc in the Ferrari next year....?



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951and944S

Touche'


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Manifold

This is why, when one's blood is boiling, it's best to take some time to cool down before doing something one may regret. Otherwise, very bad things can happen. Physical assault is no small thing, and this is just a sport, not a struggle for survival.

LuigiVampa

My helmet has more than a few scratches from being thrown. I'm a much different person after I count to 100 but then again I have never been robbed of an F1 win. In Max's shoes I would have done the same thing.

Mature? No. But I am a grown man who still likes to play with cars. Don't expect 100% maturity.

multi21

Likewise in 2005 & 2006 when the FIA mandated only 1 set of tires for the entire race distance (2005) and then reversed course but the Bridgestone tires still weren't on par with the Michelin's (2006), Michael Schumacher did not throw Bridgestone under the bus or complain about the tires. Everyone knew what the problem was, no need for a driver to point out the obvious, but then again, Schumacher never threw his team under the bus (Benetton or Ferrari) no matter how bad things got so it might be a personality issue.

It might not seem like a very big deal to an American, but to the Japanese having your work, in this case, the engine, called a F2 engine as Alonso did to Honda is very disrepectful to the entire company.