991 C2S vs Alfa Romeo 4C question....
05-15-2018, 11:38 AM
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Thanks for all the input everyone.
One thing that is becoming important to my decision is how much the Porsche depreciates due to mileage. I drive my car so it ads up. A less expensive high performance car with lower operating costs is very appealing.
The needle is leaning toward the 4C!
One thing that is becoming important to my decision is how much the Porsche depreciates due to mileage. I drive my car so it ads up. A less expensive high performance car with lower operating costs is very appealing.
The needle is leaning toward the 4C!
05-15-2018, 11:42 AM
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Thanks for all the input everyone.
One thing that is becoming important to my decision is how much the Porsche depreciates due to mileage. I drive my car so it ads up. A less expensive high performance car with lower operating costs is very appealing.
The needle is leaning toward the 4C!
One thing that is becoming important to my decision is how much the Porsche depreciates due to mileage. I drive my car so it ads up. A less expensive high performance car with lower operating costs is very appealing.
The needle is leaning toward the 4C!
05-15-2018, 11:50 AM
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I quickly found three 2015 4C's in the low 40's so I think Paolo has the right outlook IF you can find one set up the way you want. One of them I found had pretty much every option available with around 10k miles, assuming a $75K+ cost new I would say they are not holding value very well also...
Since most of the Launch Editions of the 4C had the Track Pack on them (wheels, tires, exhaust, stiffer suspension), Paolo should be in good shape, assuming he has the patience to wait for what he wants. They're out there. Just like Porsches...
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05-15-2018, 11:54 AM
#34
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I like the 4 year warranty. Used cars are a question mark for me. Looked at one and it was 68K CAD with 15k on the odometer. Sure that’s not the final price but to replace the CPO 911 for 110 to 145K and lose 40% plus is more expensive.
05-18-2018, 10:54 AM
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I can't speak to how either drive as I never drove the Alfa, but I used to be completely enamored with it. I didn't buy one mostly because at that point they were still too expensive, but after I did some reading and spent some time on a couple alfa forums the desire faded. If it will be primarily a fun track toy some of these things may not matter to you, but the lack of usability, and budget interior were pretty high for me. The build quality seemed to be poor and there was a lot of people having various issues, coupled with the (at the time) small dealer presence it made warranty work a chore.
Paint quality was universally maligned as was road comfort. Common complaint was that the CF tub acted like a drum, so any stones or whathaveyou that hit the bottom of the floor would resonate throughout the cabin.
There was also a lot of flip-flopping from Alfa regarding the availability of options. I really wanted a Spider and when it launched they promised late availability of both a CF hardtop and a factory Akrapovic exhaust. Neither of which ever materialized.
(Update: the Akropovic did end up coming out, but it was still very, very late.)
Additionally, at the time, there was not a lot of options for sticky tires in the the right sizes, and the staggered (17/18 or 18/19) wheels made it even more difficult.
A lot of observations made me very hesitant about owning one and ultimately forced me to stop looking at them through such rose colored glasses. I still think they're an awesome "baby supercar" though.
Paint quality was universally maligned as was road comfort. Common complaint was that the CF tub acted like a drum, so any stones or whathaveyou that hit the bottom of the floor would resonate throughout the cabin.
There was also a lot of flip-flopping from Alfa regarding the availability of options. I really wanted a Spider and when it launched they promised late availability of both a CF hardtop and a factory Akrapovic exhaust. Neither of which ever materialized.
(Update: the Akropovic did end up coming out, but it was still very, very late.)
Additionally, at the time, there was not a lot of options for sticky tires in the the right sizes, and the staggered (17/18 or 18/19) wheels made it even more difficult.
A lot of observations made me very hesitant about owning one and ultimately forced me to stop looking at them through such rose colored glasses. I still think they're an awesome "baby supercar" though.
05-18-2018, 04:12 PM
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Sounds from road debris and tire worms bouncing off the carbon fiber tub... sounds like a race car to me! 
I agree, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s an amazing engineering and manufacturing exercise.
Those “options” you speak of like the exhaust were never promised or even hinted of by Alfa, but they were internet and ill-informed dealer rumors for awhile.
Like it or not, the 4C is a very good value right now.
I agree, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s an amazing engineering and manufacturing exercise.
Those “options” you speak of like the exhaust were never promised or even hinted of by Alfa, but they were internet and ill-informed dealer rumors for awhile.
Like it or not, the 4C is a very good value right now.
05-18-2018, 05:25 PM
#37
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I have no feedback nor knowledge about the 4C. But I have been thinking about getting one as a convertible for the weekend and for those low budget trackdays where I am reluctant to take the GT3. So I am subscribing to this topic :-)
(I've been looking at Lotus too, but I'm afraid there is an even smaller market for those when you want to get rid of it)
(I've been looking at Lotus too, but I'm afraid there is an even smaller market for those when you want to get rid of it)
05-18-2018, 09:52 PM
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Sounds from road debris and tire worms bouncing off the carbon fiber tub... sounds like a race car to me!
I agree, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s an amazing engineering and manufacturing exercise.
Those “options” you speak of like the exhaust were never promised or even hinted of by Alfa, but they were internet and ill-informed dealer rumors for awhile.
Like it or not, the 4C is a very good value right now.
I agree, it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but it’s an amazing engineering and manufacturing exercise.
Those “options” you speak of like the exhaust were never promised or even hinted of by Alfa, but they were internet and ill-informed dealer rumors for awhile.
Like it or not, the 4C is a very good value right now.
Those options were promised by Alfa. See: http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/new...=16270&mid=488
It was this sort of thing that did not give me the warm fuzzies about Alfa's return to the US.
05-18-2018, 09:53 PM
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Yea, it's certainly a polarizing cup of tea. Don't get me wrong, I like the, it just wasn't a viable option for me at the time.
Those options were promised by Alfa. See: http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/new...=16270&mid=488
It was this sort of thing that did not give me the warm fuzzies about Alfa's return to the US.
Those options were promised by Alfa. See: http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/new...=16270&mid=488
It was this sort of thing that did not give me the warm fuzzies about Alfa's return to the US.
I see reference to the Akripovic (although that was never mentioned by any of the dealers I spoke to or on the test drives at the track) but the carbon roof for the Spider? All I ever saw was the fabric folding roof. The carbon roof would have had to be left at home! Nowhere to put it!
05-18-2018, 10:25 PM
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Understand. Car companies do this all the time.
I see reference to the Akripovic (although that was never mentioned by any of the dealers I spoke to or on the test drives at the track) but the carbon roof for the Spider? All I ever saw was the fabric folding roof. The carbon roof would have had to be left at home! Nowhere to put it!
I see reference to the Akripovic (although that was never mentioned by any of the dealers I spoke to or on the test drives at the track) but the carbon roof for the Spider? All I ever saw was the fabric folding roof. The carbon roof would have had to be left at home! Nowhere to put it!
At Launch the exhaust was supposed to be unique to the spider, for some reason.
05-19-2018, 05:26 AM
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Understand. Car companies do this all the time.
I see reference to the Akripovic (although that was never mentioned by any of the dealers I spoke to or on the test drives at the track) but the carbon roof for the Spider? All I ever saw was the fabric folding roof. The carbon roof would have had to be left at home! Nowhere to put it!
I see reference to the Akripovic (although that was never mentioned by any of the dealers I spoke to or on the test drives at the track) but the carbon roof for the Spider? All I ever saw was the fabric folding roof. The carbon roof would have had to be left at home! Nowhere to put it!
05-19-2018, 08:15 PM
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The more I think about it ........ the more I see a 4C in my future...... it would make a perfect track car and week-end toy...... especially if the prices dip a bit more.......
Winter will be here before you know it and that is the perfect time to buy one of these......
Winter will be here before you know it and that is the perfect time to buy one of these......
05-19-2018, 10:00 PM
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$43K, Track pack, grey, 7K miles. No affiliation: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...elCode1=ALFA4C
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05-20-2018, 12:10 PM
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