991 C2S vs Alfa Romeo 4C question....
05-11-2018, 04:26 PM
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Probably difference in driver. The CF chassis is pretty on the 4C but the extruded aluminum chassis on the Elise is no slouch and I'd rather take a 1,950 lbs car than a 2,450 lbs car of equal size. An Exige S 220 just ran 2:24 at COTA which is a power track. That's on par/faster than most GT4's on Hoosiers. I'd love to see a 4C run anywhere near that.
05-11-2018, 06:49 PM
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05-12-2018, 09:52 AM
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4C's start at $55.9k , just "Built" one the way I would want it in Basalt Grey out the door at $71k, looks like a fun little car!
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05-12-2018, 10:28 AM
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05-12-2018, 11:07 AM
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cargurus, autotrader etc....
05-12-2018, 06:30 PM
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So get a Radical and put a plate on it! Or you could get a track car that just happens to be a first generation manual Boxster or Cayman S with track modifications that just happen to perfectly match the PCA Spec ruleset? 'Cause you know, it will make it easier to resell when you get done with it... 
Ok ok...
JMHO, of the two I'd try the Alfa this time around. You'll probably get another Porsche later on. May as well have a few more flavors to explore. They're pretty and quite different so it will be a fun and new experience.
That said, if you're looking at $60k for the Alfa and $30k for a nice Elise / Exige though I'd have a hard time passing the Lotus by unless you love the looks and wouldn't mind a turbo motor. The Alfa is pretty. I wish our 4Cs weighed the same as those across the pond though - the Lotus is quite a bit lighter.
If you do finally win her over on a race car a few years from now, note that all the Elises and Exiges in my area run in TT classes only. They are great track and auto-x cars but reportedly cages are hard to fit and they don't seem to be as durable as a lot of other common race car choices. One owner jokingly suggested that he thought the crank bolt in his Lotus was about the same size as the fasteners Porsche uses to pin the underbody splash guards to the car. The potential to damage the one piece body and have a large repair required (or the carbon tub of the 4C) is another worry that seems to cause folks to shy away from door to door racing in them.
Ok ok...
JMHO, of the two I'd try the Alfa this time around. You'll probably get another Porsche later on. May as well have a few more flavors to explore. They're pretty and quite different so it will be a fun and new experience.
That said, if you're looking at $60k for the Alfa and $30k for a nice Elise / Exige though I'd have a hard time passing the Lotus by unless you love the looks and wouldn't mind a turbo motor. The Alfa is pretty. I wish our 4Cs weighed the same as those across the pond though - the Lotus is quite a bit lighter.
If you do finally win her over on a race car a few years from now, note that all the Elises and Exiges in my area run in TT classes only. They are great track and auto-x cars but reportedly cages are hard to fit and they don't seem to be as durable as a lot of other common race car choices. One owner jokingly suggested that he thought the crank bolt in his Lotus was about the same size as the fasteners Porsche uses to pin the underbody splash guards to the car. The potential to damage the one piece body and have a large repair required (or the carbon tub of the 4C) is another worry that seems to cause folks to shy away from door to door racing in them.
05-12-2018, 10:25 PM
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You should drive one (or a few) and make your own decision.
It's really fun!
Interesting comparison with fascinating results...
It's really fun!
Interesting comparison with fascinating results...
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05-12-2018, 10:34 PM
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05-13-2018, 12:59 AM
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One thing is MORE than clear : when the engine is at the right position, ..on track, it is VERY different !
(Had 30 years non stop of multiple 911 as daily)
For me, in the "OK" prices, the "BEST" track (+ fun) car that I know (well) about is the Lotus Exige V6 Cup.
(I saw one recently for sale in the SF Bay area..)
This is cheaper than a GT4.
But for budget reason, I did stick to a prep Boxster S (Bilstein, neg. camber with GT3 control arms, (using Nitto NT01) 6 piston on big floating rotors (Brembo kit) in the front, etc..)
It is really a great track (+ fun car)
..two days ago in Laguna Seca :
(Had 30 years non stop of multiple 911 as daily)
For me, in the "OK" prices, the "BEST" track (+ fun) car that I know (well) about is the Lotus Exige V6 Cup.
(I saw one recently for sale in the SF Bay area..)
This is cheaper than a GT4.
But for budget reason, I did stick to a prep Boxster S (Bilstein, neg. camber with GT3 control arms, (using Nitto NT01) 6 piston on big floating rotors (Brembo kit) in the front, etc..)
It is really a great track (+ fun car)
..two days ago in Laguna Seca :
