NYoutftr

WGI is my home track.

I will be there this May for my third Zone 1 HPDE.

I just saw this video, I don't know who it is, but this person can "haul the mail" at WGI.

The way the car passes through the bus stop @ 80mph, then sets up the turn and mildly rotates the car around. The same technique looks like it is used throughout the boot.

My question is, when can an instructor bring in rotation to a student?

See this video below, I wouldn't mind this person for an instructor

https://www.facebook.com/WatkinsGlenInternational/videos/10157346424406038/

dgrobs

Not that it Matters or relates to you, but they first started working with me on it when I moved from green to yellow. Throttle steering and trail braking to rotate the car. Starting to really help me get the feel of the physics of rotation.

I have a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go, but it has improved my driving dramatically. There is a certain "feel" that I get when I do it correctly. Hard to explain, but I know it when I feel it.

I am a middle intermediate driver at best (blue run group in my PCA region). See you at Zone 1 WGI....

NYoutftr

That feeling " I got it that time " for me comes on turn 9 at WGI, it is the most difficult for me to get right, but when I do, the car responds totally different, so I know what you mean.

I bring some cheese, olives, salami and vino for after hours at WGI

dgrobs

White or red?

NYoutftr

Red, from Montepulicano, Tuscany
One of the most beautiful places on earth

dgrobs

I'll have Whites, Pinot Grigios and a local resiling called Dr Franks, Amazingly dry resiling.

Sir5n

LuigiVampa

Depends on the driver but I think it is a white (HPDE 3) skill. Yellow solo the driver is just trying to figure it out.

NYoutftr

Do you know who is driving in that video?

1990nein

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NYoutftr

What does 2D stand for?

Jabs1542

rhargy

I think it can also depend on the track that you're running on. NJMP is my home track and there are areas that I feel like (with the right student) I can start to introduce throttle steer in a pretty safe manner to Green/Blue students. On Thunderbolt, the Octopus is a great, low speed area to introduce throttle steer and the sharp right hand entry to the Octopus is a great place to introduce trail braking and rotating the car. I've also had good success introducing throttle steer to students in the Bowl on Lightning. There's plenty of room for errors in these spots and I make sure that we're not in traffic and that the student is mentally prepped ahead of the session, but if the circumstances allow, I try and introduce it pretty early.

jlanka

Does it make sense to first have a coach/instructor take you out either in your car or theirs and demo it to you so you can get a feel for it?

dgrobs

Absolutely. There is no substitute for seat time with an instructor, regardless of which one of you is driving.
At VIR a couple weeks ago, we were working a lot on throttle steering and trail braking.
I was driving as the coach was telling me "back on the gas lightly", "stay on the brake as you enter this corner", "rotate the back of the car out with light throttle", etc.
There is no substitute for that kind of in car coaching.
I'm learning so much about weight transfer and the actual physics involved with weight transfer from front to back and side to side.
Using the brakes to set the car, using the throttle to push the back end out, staying on the brakes rotate the car into a corner, etc.
There is no substitute for that kind of in car coaching.
So yes, it make sense to first have a coach/instructor take you out either in your car or theirs and demo it to you so you can get a feel for it.