599GTO or CGT that's the question.....
11-04-2014, 10:39 AM
#2
Drifting
The HGTE for 50% the price offers 95% of the GTO.
There is one for sale that is tempting but NO WAY would I release the CGT for a GTO.
Also not convinced the GTO shares any of the FXX racing heritage vs the standard 599.
The Aperta is the best way to go - GTO engine with a removable top.
There is one for sale that is tempting but NO WAY would I release the CGT for a GTO.
Also not convinced the GTO shares any of the FXX racing heritage vs the standard 599.
The Aperta is the best way to go - GTO engine with a removable top.
11-04-2014, 11:01 AM
#3
I'd have to agree Nuvolari 100%.
From a value proposition - there is not another car even like a CGT, nor even close. Most front engine Ferraris depreciate quite precipitously. Ferrari has had the 599 in various versions, and now the F12 for those with the front engine itch. As Nuvolari also said, the HGTE is near the same performance as the GTO for 99% of mortals (like me), and similar in appearance, for half the price.
From a value proposition - there is not another car even like a CGT, nor even close. Most front engine Ferraris depreciate quite precipitously. Ferrari has had the 599 in various versions, and now the F12 for those with the front engine itch. As Nuvolari also said, the HGTE is near the same performance as the GTO for 99% of mortals (like me), and similar in appearance, for half the price.
11-04-2014, 11:33 AM
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Went through the same dilemma when bought the CGT.
In the end my personal criteria have decided, meaning:
Which car can be driven by my Grandma?, my cleaning lady even?, a random lady from a nearby nursing facility?
Not CGT certainly, GTO with ease........
In the end my personal criteria have decided, meaning:
Which car can be driven by my Grandma?, my cleaning lady even?, a random lady from a nearby nursing facility?
Not CGT certainly, GTO with ease........
11-04-2014, 12:11 PM
#5
Burning Brakes
11-04-2014, 01:01 PM
#7
CGT easy, hands down. This might **** a few people off but here goes nothing.
To me the 599GTO doesn't deserve the GTO moniker. In the past that moniker was reserved for Ferrari's street homologation cars. The 250GTO speaks for itself and the 288GTO was designed to go Groupe B rallying. Furthermore in the past the GTO name was put on a single Ferrari model not a variant of an existing one. It can be argued that the 250GTO is simply a variant of the large 250 series and the 288GTO shares some parts with the 308 but I would strongly disagree. I have no problem with the 599GTO and think it's a great car but think a name like 599 Scuderia or Speciale... Would have been much better suited for what at the end of the day was "souped" up and lightened 599.
To me the 599GTO doesn't deserve the GTO moniker. In the past that moniker was reserved for Ferrari's street homologation cars. The 250GTO speaks for itself and the 288GTO was designed to go Groupe B rallying. Furthermore in the past the GTO name was put on a single Ferrari model not a variant of an existing one. It can be argued that the 250GTO is simply a variant of the large 250 series and the 288GTO shares some parts with the 308 but I would strongly disagree. I have no problem with the 599GTO and think it's a great car but think a name like 599 Scuderia or Speciale... Would have been much better suited for what at the end of the day was "souped" up and lightened 599.
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11-04-2014, 01:43 PM
#9
I guess whether or not my grandmother or cleaning lady can drive it never hit my radar. Nonetheless, a 599GTO is certainly easier for the masses to drive, though it is powerful beast if not kept under control.
11-04-2014, 03:47 PM
#11
Drifting
CGT easy, hands down. This might **** a few people off but here goes nothing.
To me the 599GTO doesn't deserve the GTO moniker. In the past that moniker was reserved for Ferrari's street homologation cars. The 250GTO speaks for itself and the 288GTO was designed to go Groupe B rallying. Furthermore in the past the GTO name was put on a single Ferrari model not a variant of an existing one. It can be argued that the 250GTO is simply a variant of the large 250 series and the 288GTO shares some parts with the 308 but I would strongly disagree. I have no problem with the 599GTO and think it's a great car but think a name like 599 Scuderia or Speciale... Would have been much better suited for what at the end of the day was "souped" up and lightened 599.
To me the 599GTO doesn't deserve the GTO moniker. In the past that moniker was reserved for Ferrari's street homologation cars. The 250GTO speaks for itself and the 288GTO was designed to go Groupe B rallying. Furthermore in the past the GTO name was put on a single Ferrari model not a variant of an existing one. It can be argued that the 250GTO is simply a variant of the large 250 series and the 288GTO shares some parts with the 308 but I would strongly disagree. I have no problem with the 599GTO and think it's a great car but think a name like 599 Scuderia or Speciale... Would have been much better suited for what at the end of the day was "souped" up and lightened 599.
Different frame supports handling braking engine etc. the HGTE or Alonso covered the Scuderia / Speciale version.
I fully agree that it didn't meet the norm - but there were left over parts and someone decided slap a GT($)O tag on it. If it were more like the FXX - adding the spoiler and some other nice FXX features it would now sell for 1m easily.
On the other hand - it's on my list. Sounds great it is a beast and anything near WOT is a handful of entertainment biggest plus is some color combinations are stunning.
11-04-2014, 09:07 PM
#12
Drifting
Good question OP...when I sold my CGT I bought a 599GTB. They are very different cars on almost every level. I am personally a big fan of the 599GTO but would choose the CGT if and when I do it again.
Hopefully very soon...
Hopefully very soon...
11-04-2014, 11:21 PM
#13
I've driven the GTO for a couple hundred miles over several days (street not track). In my mind it's quite clear the CGT is both more value for money and an all around more timeless and special piece of work.
11-05-2014, 12:34 AM
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i had a 599 when its new too and it handled badly for my driving, loved the invincible torque and straight line speed though, but it depreciates badly.
of course my cgt is appreciating now, but the gto has also appreciated more, its selling above its msrp today which is unbelievable too. Always loved that engine ever since i had a ride in an aperta, i love the name GTO alone and the mystique behind it. Maybe thats why ferrari built it.
In a perfect world i should be able to have both.
of course my cgt is appreciating now, but the gto has also appreciated more, its selling above its msrp today which is unbelievable too. Always loved that engine ever since i had a ride in an aperta, i love the name GTO alone and the mystique behind it. Maybe thats why ferrari built it.
In a perfect world i should be able to have both.
11-05-2014, 12:47 AM
#15
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I have both currently.
I will respectfully disagree with some here who are claiming the 599 and GTO are mostly similar. I agree in looks but they have a large majority of different parts.
My 0.02,
GTO
the sound is more visceral
Easy to drive fast or slow
Easier to get in and out of for those of us with joint issues
Slightly more luggage space makes it possible for a long weekend
Not as picky for good roads/ramps and such
CGT
Open motoring
More involving at all speeds-good at low, a bit hairy at higher ones
More exotic look, more of a work of art, really.
Lower insurance premiums!
Important caveats:
I have not taken the CGT on the track yet. I have the GTO.
I have driven the GTO for hours at a time, not so the CGT.
I love them both and feel very fortunate to be able to own them. Thinking of selling the GTO as it's just overkill-a perfect speed machine, in a world where it's hard to utilize. I drove a friends 458 challenge and that gets me the GTO thrills in a safer (and cheaper) way in the environment where it is most at home.
The CGT is more of an adventure, so if I could only have one, adventure it is.
I will respectfully disagree with some here who are claiming the 599 and GTO are mostly similar. I agree in looks but they have a large majority of different parts.
My 0.02,
GTO
the sound is more visceral
Easy to drive fast or slow
Easier to get in and out of for those of us with joint issues
Slightly more luggage space makes it possible for a long weekend
Not as picky for good roads/ramps and such
CGT
Open motoring
More involving at all speeds-good at low, a bit hairy at higher ones
More exotic look, more of a work of art, really.
Lower insurance premiums!
Important caveats:
I have not taken the CGT on the track yet. I have the GTO.
I have driven the GTO for hours at a time, not so the CGT.
I love them both and feel very fortunate to be able to own them. Thinking of selling the GTO as it's just overkill-a perfect speed machine, in a world where it's hard to utilize. I drove a friends 458 challenge and that gets me the GTO thrills in a safer (and cheaper) way in the environment where it is most at home.
The CGT is more of an adventure, so if I could only have one, adventure it is.