USA enthusiast media test Carrera GT in Italy
#31
"I don't think Porsche has ever won the fastest 1/4 mile/lowest 0-60 time vs. $$ spent battle so why expect it from the CGT?"
that is true, but like most p-cars it's respect is earned on the 'ring. 7.30 sec worth.
"At some point the purchase decision comes down to passion for the car and my view is the CGT inspires more passion than any other car mentioned in this thread."
that is true too. all you have to do is see and hear one in person and the other cars will seem blah (that said the Ford GT is stunning in person, but very blah next to the CGT). and, i haven't even driven the CGT (just ridden ***** out) which i suspect makes the rest also seem blah.
that is true, but like most p-cars it's respect is earned on the 'ring. 7.30 sec worth.
"At some point the purchase decision comes down to passion for the car and my view is the CGT inspires more passion than any other car mentioned in this thread."
that is true too. all you have to do is see and hear one in person and the other cars will seem blah (that said the Ford GT is stunning in person, but very blah next to the CGT). and, i haven't even driven the CGT (just ridden ***** out) which i suspect makes the rest also seem blah.
#32
Les,
I first read the release on several different forums. One of those being Ferrarichat.
The info is also available on Ford's page for the GT which can be found here: CLICK ME for Ford GT specs!
Greg A
I first read the release on several different forums. One of those being Ferrarichat.
The info is also available on Ford's page for the GT which can be found here: CLICK ME for Ford GT specs!
Greg A
#33
Greg you are correct 550HP holy horsepower Batman!!
Steve in fla,
I agree that Porsche has never designed a car with quarter mile times in mind. However starting in 79 with the 930 Turbo. Porsche had the quickest quarter mile car for some time. I think, but have not researched this that Porsche ruled the streets until 1996 when the viper came out with 450HP and even that was almost even. I can't think of many if any cars that were quicker in the quarter mile during that period of time. I don't think that was an accident , and I believe Porsche benefited from this perception of a street track racer. Porsche continues to post quarter mile times in it's sales brochure's so they and I think it has some relevance. I also am not aware of an American autobahn in which to enjoy this cars full potential when track time is not available. Further Porsche does not seem to keen on paying for things that break at the track recently.
Finally ,am I the only one who is concerned that the CGT has no significant history of testing in regard to many of it's components. Most Porsche's have been sorted out from their racing program before they hit the streets. My concern centers on that clutch which has no history of prior use. Are the buyers the guinea pigs?
Steve in fla,
I agree that Porsche has never designed a car with quarter mile times in mind. However starting in 79 with the 930 Turbo. Porsche had the quickest quarter mile car for some time. I think, but have not researched this that Porsche ruled the streets until 1996 when the viper came out with 450HP and even that was almost even. I can't think of many if any cars that were quicker in the quarter mile during that period of time. I don't think that was an accident , and I believe Porsche benefited from this perception of a street track racer. Porsche continues to post quarter mile times in it's sales brochure's so they and I think it has some relevance. I also am not aware of an American autobahn in which to enjoy this cars full potential when track time is not available. Further Porsche does not seem to keen on paying for things that break at the track recently.
Finally ,am I the only one who is concerned that the CGT has no significant history of testing in regard to many of it's components. Most Porsche's have been sorted out from their racing program before they hit the streets. My concern centers on that clutch which has no history of prior use. Are the buyers the guinea pigs?
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Les: At least the CGT engine was derived from a race engine albeit one that never got to race. That is actually the main reason I never bought a 996. Regarding Porsche's recent attitude towards warranty issues, I'd agree it is hard to reconcile what they seem to be marketing the cars as vs. what they seem to expect their customers to treat them as. For a halo car like the CGT they may be somewhat more inclined to make things right should there be a problem. I don't expect they will get too many calls from owners that have taken a CGT to the track though.
Last edited by Steve in FL; 03-24-2004 at 12:29 AM.
#36
0-60 MPH = 3.5 seconds
0-100 MPH = 6.8 seconds
0-130 MPH = 10.8 seconds
1/4 mile = 12.2 seconds @ 132 MPH
It takes about .3sec to go from 130 to 132, I believe the 1/4 mile is a typo and should read
1/4 mile = 11.2 seconds @ 132 MPH
0-100 MPH = 6.8 seconds
0-130 MPH = 10.8 seconds
1/4 mile = 12.2 seconds @ 132 MPH
It takes about .3sec to go from 130 to 132, I believe the 1/4 mile is a typo and should read
1/4 mile = 11.2 seconds @ 132 MPH
#37
les, i thought about getting a ford gt in addition to the cgt. i couldn't find a slot at msrp - no one can. you'll be paying $200k+ if you buy one in the first 6 mths of production and probably won't see $150k for 9 months or so. it's a really cool car in person, and i think all the "but, it's a ford" talk is BS. that said, i have the first year new F150 and while it's a really nice truck, it certainly has first year issues for which they have not found fixes yet.
#40
"It's not a typo. It's 12.2 because no one except Walter Rohrl can get it off the line cleanly so far."
then i wonder how they managed to get from 0-130 in 10.8 sec, by 12.2 they musta been going 140+ which is just about in line with a 12.2 time, right :-)
then i wonder how they managed to get from 0-130 in 10.8 sec, by 12.2 they musta been going 140+ which is just about in line with a 12.2 time, right :-)
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Originally posted by ben in lj
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then i wonder how they managed to get from 0-130 in 10.8 sec, by 12.2 they musta been going 140+ which is just about in line with a 12.2 time, right :-)
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then i wonder how they managed to get from 0-130 in 10.8 sec, by 12.2 they musta been going 140+ which is just about in line with a 12.2 time, right :-)
As I said, after I get back from vacation (where I am now), I'll call back for a verification. I can't imagine how one can get to 130 in 10.8 seconds and take an additional 1.4 seconds to get to 132.
I assume the data was all from the same (best) run.
#42
My experience at the strip with vipers and other cars with lots of HP but little traction is that a 12.2 is possible with those trap speeds if you roast your tires off the line.
Mike please get some verification because you really got me going with that 12.2 number. And I saw at my dealer yesterday a letter from Porsche that said allocations for the CGT are closed this Friday. Whatever that means. But I was told to poop or get off the pot "Charlie Brown" yesterday!
Mike please get some verification because you really got me going with that 12.2 number. And I saw at my dealer yesterday a letter from Porsche that said allocations for the CGT are closed this Friday. Whatever that means. But I was told to poop or get off the pot "Charlie Brown" yesterday!
#43
"My experience at the strip with vipers and other cars with lots of HP but little traction is that a 12.2 is possible with those trap speeds if you roast your tires off the line."
again les, you cannot achieve 0-130 mph in 10.8 secs with this car and take another 1.4 to get another 2 mph NO MATTER WHAT your traction situation.
"And I saw at my dealer yesterday a letter from Porsche that said allocations for the CGT are closed this Friday."
please check into that and let us know what that means. someone somewhere said something about them scaling back the number of cars.
again les, you cannot achieve 0-130 mph in 10.8 secs with this car and take another 1.4 to get another 2 mph NO MATTER WHAT your traction situation.
"And I saw at my dealer yesterday a letter from Porsche that said allocations for the CGT are closed this Friday."
please check into that and let us know what that means. someone somewhere said something about them scaling back the number of cars.
#44
ben in lj,
OK if you are going to argue with me using numbers and logic. I guess I am going to have to agree with you. Which means Mike needs to be beaten with a stick if he got these numbers wrong.
I hope the car runs 11.2 at 132 because I am buying one if thats the case because thats what I thought the car should run all along.
As to this allocation issue I tried to get a copy but was rebuffed. My dealer is as confused as we are and is calling for clarification. It seems to me if they are cutting off production at 1000 units 500 coming to the states the car will hold it's value better. My dealer is confused because they have sent deposits to Porsche for 10 allocations which was promised to them. However Porsche has their money but has only issued them 6 allocations and now sent them this letter. One of the last allocations is for the owner who built a garage edition for this car so he is very interested as well. If I hear anything I will post it.
This car is driving me nuts!
OK if you are going to argue with me using numbers and logic. I guess I am going to have to agree with you. Which means Mike needs to be beaten with a stick if he got these numbers wrong.
I hope the car runs 11.2 at 132 because I am buying one if thats the case because thats what I thought the car should run all along.
As to this allocation issue I tried to get a copy but was rebuffed. My dealer is as confused as we are and is calling for clarification. It seems to me if they are cutting off production at 1000 units 500 coming to the states the car will hold it's value better. My dealer is confused because they have sent deposits to Porsche for 10 allocations which was promised to them. However Porsche has their money but has only issued them 6 allocations and now sent them this letter. One of the last allocations is for the owner who built a garage edition for this car so he is very interested as well. If I hear anything I will post it.
This car is driving me nuts!