996 GT3 RSR value
08-09-2016, 05:23 PM
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996 GT3 RSR value
Hey guys, we have a 2004 996 GT3 genuine RSR here in Australia (looks to be 1 of 40 or so cars produced). Its an ex US car that has never seen any extended track duty and is in pristine condition. We are trying to get some indication of value on it at the moment. Any input would be appreciated.
VIN: WPOZZZ99Z4S693075
VIN: WPOZZZ99Z4S693075
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08-09-2016, 08:22 PM
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Here is a picture of the car when we took it out to a local track day to see how it drove. Its probably done about 30 laps in our hands at Social events not proper racing.
08-09-2016, 10:48 PM
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Hours on tub, motor & gearbox would be helpful. Do you know if it was the sprint motor or the endurance motor? Also do you know how many times the motor has been rebuilt?
PM me if you think your going to sell.
PM me if you think your going to sell.
08-10-2016, 12:05 AM
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Very little apparent competition history on the car:
http://www.wsrp.cz/chassis/chassis_porsche_996.html
Looks like Steve Goldman may have owned it at some point - assuming it's the same Steve (likely), you can find him here on Rennlist
http://www.webbimages.co.uk/996chassis2004.htm
http://www.wsrp.cz/chassis/chassis_porsche_996.html
Looks like Steve Goldman may have owned it at some point - assuming it's the same Steve (likely), you can find him here on Rennlist
http://www.webbimages.co.uk/996chassis2004.htm
08-10-2016, 12:43 AM
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What we know about the car whether it be right or wrong -
It was purchased new in the USA by a company that had a pair of them. We believe this is an FIA version which saw use as a spare car and was mainly used on corporate days. Never saw any heavy competition usage in the USA.
In Australia the car raced for a single season in our GT Championship and was never in any major incident (to the best of our knowledge).
The engine was rebuilt in Australia and has around 6 - 8 hours of social track use, the gearbox we had built (changed ratios, and we still have the original tall gears) around 3 hours ago.
The only real modification away from stock is a Motec ECU.
Any more info that anyone has would be great
The last eight years it really hasn't turned a wheel - it sits in front of my office desk as a display
It was purchased new in the USA by a company that had a pair of them. We believe this is an FIA version which saw use as a spare car and was mainly used on corporate days. Never saw any heavy competition usage in the USA.
In Australia the car raced for a single season in our GT Championship and was never in any major incident (to the best of our knowledge).
The engine was rebuilt in Australia and has around 6 - 8 hours of social track use, the gearbox we had built (changed ratios, and we still have the original tall gears) around 3 hours ago.
The only real modification away from stock is a Motec ECU.
Any more info that anyone has would be great
The last eight years it really hasn't turned a wheel - it sits in front of my office desk as a display
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08-13-2016, 11:09 AM
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interesting car.
Low production numbers makes it rare, but lack of professional history takes away some of the allure of a race car.
It is low hours which makes it a great example, but who is actually running these cars anymore?
The car would be presented best in the "as delivered" livery by Porsche Motorsports for somebody looking for a clean RSR for their collection.
How is the 996 R and 996 RS market? (H pattern cars)
Low production numbers makes it rare, but lack of professional history takes away some of the allure of a race car.
It is low hours which makes it a great example, but who is actually running these cars anymore?
The car would be presented best in the "as delivered" livery by Porsche Motorsports for somebody looking for a clean RSR for their collection.
How is the 996 R and 996 RS market? (H pattern cars)
08-14-2016, 11:39 AM
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The H pattern cars are starting at ~$80K and, at that price, are usually missing all kinds of original parts which makes them not a great deal for people trying to get them back to correct complete. Original parts for all the "R" type cars are hard to find and really expensive. Good R's and RS's are selling for $125-150K. Porsche built ~160 R's and RS's so they can be found and purchased currently (maybe not forever at those prices). They also were the most competitive car to race for most racing series around the world in 00, 01, 02 and 03 so they saw a lot of action and many of them were written off. Our 00 R has tons of race history but both quarter panels have been replaced 4 times. Luckily, it wasn't destroyed.
There were a total of 37 996 RSR's produced for the 04, 05 and 06 world wide professional championships and there are 21 that exist now. Most of these cars have had their tubs replaced and most replacements happed after the professional racing ended so they aren't the same cars any longer. The RSR's are selling for $250-400K depending on condition and history. The cars with the race history are the ones that have mostly all had tubs/cars replaced and the few cars that are all original, as delivered from the factory, are the ones with less race history, which kind of makes them all valuable for different reasons.
Example, our 04 RSR was specifically built with special parts that were only allowed for the 2004 Nurburgring 24hours race as a Manthey/Porsche factory entry. It raced there and then was sold to a collector. Because the race was considered an "amateur" event, the race history doesn't show on many of the on-line databases (the car VIN does but the history is blank). It sometimes takes an investigation to determine race history. The RSR's were expensive, fast and really hard to get from Porsche. They weren't built for just anybody and they were all built to be raced in a championship or big event somewhere.
There were a total of 37 996 RSR's produced for the 04, 05 and 06 world wide professional championships and there are 21 that exist now. Most of these cars have had their tubs replaced and most replacements happed after the professional racing ended so they aren't the same cars any longer. The RSR's are selling for $250-400K depending on condition and history. The cars with the race history are the ones that have mostly all had tubs/cars replaced and the few cars that are all original, as delivered from the factory, are the ones with less race history, which kind of makes them all valuable for different reasons.
Example, our 04 RSR was specifically built with special parts that were only allowed for the 2004 Nurburgring 24hours race as a Manthey/Porsche factory entry. It raced there and then was sold to a collector. Because the race was considered an "amateur" event, the race history doesn't show on many of the on-line databases (the car VIN does but the history is blank). It sometimes takes an investigation to determine race history. The RSR's were expensive, fast and really hard to get from Porsche. They weren't built for just anybody and they were all built to be raced in a championship or big event somewhere.
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08-15-2016, 12:49 AM
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Fantastic write up oemexp. Our car seems to have the original tub from our investigation, and be more or less original save for the Motec ECU - which kind of mates well with the factory Motec dash these cars had.
08-15-2016, 01:43 AM
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Your car is the next serial number away from ours and I was wondering where that car was?
Here is our 3076 car as it raced at the Nurburgring Nordschleife and as it is now.
Here is our 3076 car as it raced at the Nurburgring Nordschleife and as it is now.
08-15-2016, 03:58 AM
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Thanks once more for your post - we have now confirmed that it is original tub - and we are putting the livery back exactly as yours! (it was in the works already).
Do you have any detailed pictures of the factory lettering?
Do you have any detailed pictures of the factory lettering?
08-15-2016, 02:45 PM
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The H pattern cars are starting at ~$80K and, at that price, are usually missing all kinds of original parts which makes them not a great deal for people trying to get them back to correct complete. Original parts for all the "R" type cars are hard to find and really expensive. Good R's and RS's are selling for $125-150K. Porsche built ~160 R's and RS's so they can be found and purchased currently (maybe not forever at those prices). They also were the most competitive car to race for most racing series around the world in 00, 01, 02 and 03 so they saw a lot of action and many of them were written off. Our 00 R has tons of race history but both quarter panels have been replaced 4 times. Luckily, it wasn't destroyed.
There were a total of 37 996 RSR's produced for the 04, 05 and 06 world wide professional championships and there are 21 that exist now. Most of these cars have had their tubs replaced and most replacements happed after the professional racing ended so they aren't the same cars any longer. The RSR's are selling for $250-400K depending on condition and history. The cars with the race history are the ones that have mostly all had tubs/cars replaced and the few cars that are all original, as delivered from the factory, are the ones with less race history, which kind of makes them all valuable for different reasons.
Example, our 04 RSR was specifically built with special parts that were only allowed for the 2004 Nurburgring 24hours race as a Manthey/Porsche factory entry. It raced there and then was sold to a collector. Because the race was considered an "amateur" event, the race history doesn't show on many of the on-line databases (the car VIN does but the history is blank). It sometimes takes an investigation to determine race history. The RSR's were expensive, fast and really hard to get from Porsche. They weren't built for just anybody and they were all built to be raced in a championship or big event somewhere.
There were a total of 37 996 RSR's produced for the 04, 05 and 06 world wide professional championships and there are 21 that exist now. Most of these cars have had their tubs replaced and most replacements happed after the professional racing ended so they aren't the same cars any longer. The RSR's are selling for $250-400K depending on condition and history. The cars with the race history are the ones that have mostly all had tubs/cars replaced and the few cars that are all original, as delivered from the factory, are the ones with less race history, which kind of makes them all valuable for different reasons.
Example, our 04 RSR was specifically built with special parts that were only allowed for the 2004 Nurburgring 24hours race as a Manthey/Porsche factory entry. It raced there and then was sold to a collector. Because the race was considered an "amateur" event, the race history doesn't show on many of the on-line databases (the car VIN does but the history is blank). It sometimes takes an investigation to determine race history. The RSR's were expensive, fast and really hard to get from Porsche. They weren't built for just anybody and they were all built to be raced in a championship or big event somewhere.
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