Factory Race Cars from Porsche
 

Here are some I think qualify:

997 GT3 RSR
997 Cup

996 GT3 RSR
996 GT3 RS
996 GT3 R
996 Cup

911 GT1
993 GT2
993 RSR
993 Cup

964 LM Turbo
964 Euro Cup
964 U.S Cup
964 RSR 3.8

935
934

911 ST
911 2.7 RS
911 2.8 RSR
911 3.0 RS
911 3.0 RSR
911 SCRS

962
961
956

968 Turbo RS
944 Turbo Cup
944 GTR
924 Carrera GTS
924 Carrera GTR
914/6 GT

917
909
908
907
906
904
718
550
356 Carrera

There are loads more, please fill the thread up!

You're pissing off all of the 964 US cup and Eurocup guys.

Added!
I didn't intend to list all works cars on my own, I'll probably miss quite a few then...

If I add a cup......holder to my Boxster, can I post here. :roflmao:

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Is the 964 US Cup really a factory cup? Does Andial count?

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where is the cut off point - the 904 is still magic

R+C

Is the 964 US Cup really a factory cup? Does Andial count?


Weren't they were deliverd as race cars, non street registerable. Then converted to street use ? Or am I just wrong

You are forgetting 964 RSR 3.8

Indeed, and there is a really nice example of one in Kingston NY

Mine is not a factory car, but rather a customer built car and has been updated to 993RSR running gear.

Close enough probably better too : )

You have it backwards. They were delivered as registerable street cars, some were converted to race cars by Andial, most (all?) were converted back to street cars and sold. Almost all that are raced today have been re-converted back to be race cars by random shops.

+ 1 None of the "US cup cars left the factory as a FACTORY RACE CAR" They are Euro RS street cars that were converted to cup car specs except for DOT items. Cup cars well yes and no. Certainly not factory... Clones ... IMHO Yes, some better than others.
Bob :icon107:

Well, actually they were not Euro RSs because they came with all of the requirements for USA DOT like airbags, door beams, US wiring harnesses...but then again, we've had this discussion in the past. Great cars and I'd love to have one as a street driver.

What about the SCRS? Of course it was destined for the stages, not the circuits.

SCRS, one of the coolest factory built cars from the 3 litre carrera era!

Well Andial was Porsche Motorsports of North America at the time the conversions were done, to call them clones seems to be a slight that is undeserved. There were 45 USA cup cars build, 25 were converted to race trim as far as I know all 25 were converted back to street trim ad sold as street car. I own #6 which was reconverted back to race trim by Andial, I don't know how many were reconverted by Andial Vs. "random" shops. My car was originally purchased by Kelly Moss Motorsports I would assume they had good reason to send car to CA and not do the conversion themselves. I don't know the differences in US Vs European race trim for 964 Cup cars. All I know mine is a damn fast race car in my fairly inexperienced hands.
Phil

More than one was converted to Cup specs by Andial as the last conversion. It does seem to make some Euro Cup people question the few US Cups, so lets say they aren't real Cups so they can sleep well. Take them off of the above list if that is preferred, as it matters not to me.

It does seem to me that it is important to consider the Company's intent when a car was produced and ready for sale, no matter where it was manufactured/finished.

would the C4 RS Lightweight count?
http://rpmsportscars.com/door25.htm

Or is the definitive criterion the presence of a Motorsports VIN from Porsche?

I say the US cups are real Cups. They were built for a series that never happened right ? I say they stay on the list Just my 2 cents

Perhaps in the official grey zone, still the U.S Cups belongs to this forum I'd say.

I think so:
- They were build at Weissach.
- They used competition parts.
- They have very specific chassis numbers: 964 001 to 964 020.

You can add a lot of cars to the original list:
550
356 Carrera
718
904
906
907
908
909
911 ST
911 2.7 RS
911 2.8 RSR
911 3.0 RS
911 3.0 RSR
934
935
914/6 GT
917
924 Carrera GTS
924 Carrera GTR
944 GTR

Samuel

Seems to me the C4 RS was built soley for the collector market at the time. I don't recall a series for which they would have been suited.

I did see one of them being built at Weissach, and it seemed to me to be a way of offloading the spares left over from the Typ 953 Paris Dakar 4 wd cars.

I could b wrong though.

there is a new class emerging in WRC. In tarmac rallies there will be GT class, early declared candidates are Porsche and Aston Martin. These 911s could end up as highly desirable cars and very fast indeed.

R+C

I agree with you. It was certainly a nice way to use a stock of gearboxes...
There was no racing series for them.

It was not designed to be street legal so I think it will qualify as a "never raced racing car" ;)

Samuel

How come the 996 RS makes the cut but the 997 RS does not?

I've never heard of a 909. Not saying there wasn't one, just never heard of it. I have heard of a 910 though.

http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/25...15_08_1981.jpg


Built for Hillclimes.

Cool! That is the best rally news I've heard in ages!

and the Pfalz has a tarmac rally!

R+C

It's the 996 GT3-R, RS and RSR evolution. It's not the street car.

i think the best way to think about the 45 Carrera Cup USA Edition 964's (the correct name from porsche btw)
is that they were US Spec 964 RS's, somewhere in between Basic and Touring

they were intended as race cars by porsche from the get go but in order to not have the EPA repeat the 959 debalcile they used US chassis numbers, Nevermind that they all came with a RS Spec (and serial #) engine and transmission package and all the other goodies, except where they were too obvious (like non airbags and roll up windows)


they probably do not fit in the race car list since they left the factory as street cars - much the same as a 964 RS was even if they were both converted to cup specs later.

IMHO...

919 Hybrid.

997 GT3R
997 GT3R Hybrid
991 GT3 Cup
991 GT America
991 GT3 RSR
RS Spyder

Don't you forget some 901 and some 911T that for example ran Monte Carlo ?

997 Cup S 2008 & 2009

what kind of differences between the 996 race cars market price wise? (R, RS and RSR)

996 GT3 RS/Road Challenge (Sure these were built up by FutureWorld, supposedly from RS, but they carry VIN very close to that of 2004/2005 Cup cars)
997 GT3 Cup 'Grand Am'
997 GT3R Hybrid 2.0
991 GT3-R

FWIW Some of the Later 997 and 991 RSR have dropped the GT3.

Edit:
Not sure what your requirements for 'factory' are, but in case you want to: 4.0L 997 Brumos Cup cars. (Also have Cup like VIN)
Ed2: RSR

I believe you could add the 1967 911 R and the '69 911TR ...Bert

981 Cayman GT4 Clubsport

959 Rally car, and the 961 (it's road racing sibling before it was banned from Group B).