Wheel carrier - brake caliper threads
#1
Wheel carrier - brake caliper threads
Cross post from 981 thread - car in question is a 981 GTS:
I was helping a friend do brake pads on a 981 GTS yesterday. The car is tracked moderately (about 8 - 10 days a year) and had caliper bolt studs in place - supposed to be torqued to 54 ft-lb.
When removing the nuts on the front left side studs, it took minimal effort and they were clearly below recommended torque. We did the pads on that side and the caliper stud nuts re-torqued normally. We were using a well-calibrated torque wrench with the settings double-checked.
On the left side, the bottom nut was clearly loose. When we went to retorque that one, the stud backed out of the hub carrier and was clearly stripped and had no Loctite on it. I had a spare caliper bolt on hand. We put that back. As we started to get torque on it, it felt like it was not tightening any more, so we stopped before reaching the 63 ft-lb that a caliper bolt requires. The top stud and nut were secure so he could drive home OK.
I suspect that whoever put in the studs and did the brakes last didn't use correct torque and skipped the Loctite. I don't think the calipers have been off and on this car that many times for the holes be stripped from normal wear and tear. Any other thoughts as to cause?
Are there any possible fixes for this (retap, helicoil, both) or does this hub carrier likely need to be replaced?
I was helping a friend do brake pads on a 981 GTS yesterday. The car is tracked moderately (about 8 - 10 days a year) and had caliper bolt studs in place - supposed to be torqued to 54 ft-lb.
When removing the nuts on the front left side studs, it took minimal effort and they were clearly below recommended torque. We did the pads on that side and the caliper stud nuts re-torqued normally. We were using a well-calibrated torque wrench with the settings double-checked.
On the left side, the bottom nut was clearly loose. When we went to retorque that one, the stud backed out of the hub carrier and was clearly stripped and had no Loctite on it. I had a spare caliper bolt on hand. We put that back. As we started to get torque on it, it felt like it was not tightening any more, so we stopped before reaching the 63 ft-lb that a caliper bolt requires. The top stud and nut were secure so he could drive home OK.
I suspect that whoever put in the studs and did the brakes last didn't use correct torque and skipped the Loctite. I don't think the calipers have been off and on this car that many times for the holes be stripped from normal wear and tear. Any other thoughts as to cause?
Are there any possible fixes for this (retap, helicoil, both) or does this hub carrier likely need to be replaced?
Last edited by ldamelio; 09-08-2024 at 09:19 AM.
#3
Read the post again before answering. Stud was put in previously by someone else. It backed out of the carrier in the process of torquing the nut after the caliper was reinstalled. You are wrong about the torque values. Proper torque on a caliper nut (12 mm 12 point) on the stud is 54 ft-lbs. 63 foot-lbs is for stock caliper bolt (T55) into the carrier.
Last edited by ldamelio; 09-09-2024 at 09:22 AM.
#4
Cross post from 981 thread - car in question is a 981 GTS:
I was helping a friend do brake pads on a 981 GTS yesterday. The car is tracked moderately (about 8 - 10 days a year) and had caliper bolt studs in place - supposed to be torqued to 54 ft-lb.
When removing the nuts on the front left side studs, it took minimal effort and they were clearly below recommended torque. We did the pads on that side and the caliper stud nuts re-torqued normally. We were using a well-calibrated torque wrench with the settings double-checked.
On the left side, the bottom nut was clearly loose. When we went to retorque that one, the stud backed out of the hub carrier and was clearly stripped and had no Loctite on it. I had a spare caliper bolt on hand. We put that back. As we started to get torque on it, it felt like it was not tightening any more, so we stopped before reaching the 63 ft-lb that a caliper bolt requires. The top stud and nut were secure so he could drive home OK.
I suspect that whoever put in the studs and did the brakes last didn't use correct torque and skipped the Loctite. I don't think the calipers have been off and on this car that many times for the holes be stripped from normal wear and tear. Any other thoughts as to cause?
Are there any possible fixes for this (retap, helicoil, both) or does this hub carrier likely need to be replaced?
I was helping a friend do brake pads on a 981 GTS yesterday. The car is tracked moderately (about 8 - 10 days a year) and had caliper bolt studs in place - supposed to be torqued to 54 ft-lb.
When removing the nuts on the front left side studs, it took minimal effort and they were clearly below recommended torque. We did the pads on that side and the caliper stud nuts re-torqued normally. We were using a well-calibrated torque wrench with the settings double-checked.
On the left side, the bottom nut was clearly loose. When we went to retorque that one, the stud backed out of the hub carrier and was clearly stripped and had no Loctite on it. I had a spare caliper bolt on hand. We put that back. As we started to get torque on it, it felt like it was not tightening any more, so we stopped before reaching the 63 ft-lb that a caliper bolt requires. The top stud and nut were secure so he could drive home OK.
I suspect that whoever put in the studs and did the brakes last didn't use correct torque and skipped the Loctite. I don't think the calipers have been off and on this car that many times for the holes be stripped from normal wear and tear. Any other thoughts as to cause?
Are there any possible fixes for this (retap, helicoil, both) or does this hub carrier likely need to be replaced?
#5
I installed Girodisc caliper studs on my 997. I don’t have handy (and can’t find online) the installation instructions but I believe the studs should only be seated with 5-10 ft-lbs. Torque for the nuts is 54 ft-lbs (I think). But the point is that studs are installed with a nominal torque value only.
Last edited by ldamelio; 09-23-2024 at 10:36 AM.
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