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Old 12-28-2016, 10:09 AM   #1
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Hello all,

I'm shopping around for a new car, and just this past week I started to see more ads on the new Panamera. I know there has been news for a while, but I really wasn't in the market, so wasn't paying that much attention. So on my list are the Tesla S, Panamera 4S, and now the new e-Hybrid. Fuel efficiency is a bit of concern of mine, I have a 30 mile hike one way to the office. I know that the hybrid isn't expected to be available until mid 2017. Assuming it is released then, are there any news on when this may actually be available for delivery? Also, has anyone had a chance to drive hybrid Porsche's? Is the experience completely ruined? I welcome any personal opinion or experiences. I'm just wondering if it's worth the wait to get into the hybrid...which I don't know if I'll like, or if I should go pull the trigger...any thoughts welcomed.
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:24 PM   #2
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Not sure why fuel cost is an issue. Cost of any of what you mentioned make the cost of fuel a none issue.

Any newer internal combustion car will get reasonable mileage. My wife's new full size supercharged Range Rover gets 24 or better in the valley. I agree though it would be nice to drive an S and hybrid back to back. Tesla's are out of the question for my uses due to range and time to refuel.
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Old 12-29-2016, 03:23 PM   #3
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I currently spend approximately $400 a month on gas. I would love to put that towards the car rather than the gas.

Although as I understand it, the e-Hybrid can't do torque vectoring and has less options for body role. Does anyone know if that's because the placement of the battery pack and engines limit the addition of these parts? Some of those options may be a deal breaker for me. I may have to go full petrol for it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:34 PM   #4
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It looks like the base pannie doesn't offer torque vectoring either so it's not the battery. Surprising it could be a trim level restriction instead of providing every available option across the platform.
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Old 01-02-2017, 09:57 AM   #5
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IMO the 4S is a great vehicle, but then again I don't drive a Porsche for fuel economy. If fuel consumption was really a concern for me I would have a Prius. Just saying.
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:11 AM   #6
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I fully understand your concern for fuel economy because I too average btwn 3-400 a month in gas. Here's the thing you have to ask yourself, what are the top 5 things I need in a car?

For me it's, design first, performance second, perception third (don't judge me), fuel economy fourth, utility fifth.

With performance being so important to me, I went with a first gen turbo over the refresh S Ehybrid or 4S.
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Look at it this way. 10K $ = about 60,000 miles at 18/gal. Price of a car buys a lot of fuel.
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Old 01-07-2017, 08:06 PM   #8
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My first Panamera was a hybrid (2014).
Even though I test drove, after a couple of weeks I was longing for more power, I missed the "Porsche feeling". Not sure how it is on the 2017 hybrids, but it made me trade very quickly for a real car: Panamera GTS.
I average 18-19mpg with the GTS, the hybrid did 22-2mpg. Guess what: I could not care less.
Loving the GTS, big smile on my face every single time I drive it. Best car I ever had.
The rumble of the exhaust, the torque, 18 way sport seats, it just feels like a Porsche whereas the hybrid felt like a Camry.
Porsche will have to make a real good hybrid for me to switch back
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I'm considering the hybrid, but will wait to see what tests say. Friend says some hybrids have odd brake pedal feel on initial application. Another says I'll get tired of plugging it in. I've got a diesel now. I really like getting 600+ miles on a tank. Saves a lot of time.
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Friend says brake pedal might feel odd. Other says I'll get tired plugging in. Got a diesel now, really like getting 600+ miles/tank. Saves a lot of time. Wish the Pano diesel was coming to America
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Hi. Personally I would go Panamera 4S rather than E-Hybrid.

See recent full review of E-Hybrid on Autogefuhl (about 50 minute video). Very informative.

I have ordered a Panamera 4 which I'm due to collect on March 1st, as for me it is better value than the 4S and still plenty fast enough, with pretty much the same 2.9 V6 engine, just to a lower level of tuning.
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Seems like the extra power on the car can easily be fixed with a Cobb access port
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I'll take your word for that ;-)

Think I'll be happy with standard bhp and trade to my Porsche # 4 in two or three years...
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I have a 2015 e-Hybrid and I love it. I can spend half the day getting 50+ MPG and the other doing our serious Porsche biz.

And if you owned this vehicle you would have a whole new appreciation for Porsche engineering. Seriously
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I have ordered a Panamera 4 which I'm due to collect on March 1st, as for me it is better value than the 4S and still plenty fast enough, with pretty much the same 2.9 V6 engine, just to a lower level of tuning.
Correction of my previous statement. Panamera 4 has a 3.0 litre V6. The 4S has a more powerful 2.9 litre V6. Apologies.
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