2017 Panamera
#20
1000% improved on the old car. Welcome to the design ranks of Audi, Aston, and MB.. Porsche! I think maybe my 2015 M3 will move towards a 2018 model especially once we see the GTS that is sure to follow. Question is when.
#22
PGTS and P90D
Regarding comparisons to the Tesla S, a very impressive vehicle and when battery capabilities improve will be awesome, I defer to personal preference. The Panamera was and still is an original design with Porsche DNA in its body style and is not derivative beyond its family cues so to me there really is no substitute. Since straight line acceleration is not a priority for me for a sedan and my focus is on handling, braking and superior seats and interior. Again, only my opinion and I respect others' opinions completely.
#23
Here is a quote from Autoblog:
"But that doesn't actually make it lighter.
One of the major benefits to aluminum construction is reduced mass – aluminum is about a third of the weight of steel. So, any time an automaker can replace a steel part with one made from aluminum, we expect significant weight savings.
Thing is, the 2017 Panamera isn't actually any lighter than the first-gen car. The 2016 Porsche Panamera 4S weighed in at 4,123 pounds. The new one weighs exactly the same. Strip it down to its bare chassis, and there's no weight savings there, either. When we asked why, Porsche engineers said the new chassis is stiffer than the old one, and if it were made completely from steel, it'd be much heavier.
Another reason, though, is that Porsche isn't the only automaker under the VW Group umbrella with plans to use the MSB-F platform that Porsche developed for the new Panamera. Audi will use the architecture, too, and Audi required aluminum."
Entire article is lited here: http://www.autoblog.com/2016/07/01/e...sche-panamera/
#24
- weight by volume
- weight by strength
- weight by stiffness
All different. It ends up depending on whether it is shaped in a smart way so that the result has the desire properties. Volume can work to an advantage or a disadvantage here.
Can't say that BMW's aluminium experiments worked out great...
#27
#28
Hope the v8 turbo diesel makes it to the cayenne in the USA and I'll be a buyer Man, the 4s vs the turbo will be tough. Cannot wait to drive the new 8 speed pdk
Don't love that the motors are shared but take the good with the bad the 4.8 tt was starting to show a but if age....
Don't love that the motors are shared but take the good with the bad the 4.8 tt was starting to show a but if age....
#29
No worries..my BMW lease is up in 2018 so I think we already have a possible successor!
#30
next PGTS
I heard Porsche has said that it won't show up till year after initial release. MY 2018 maybe? Initial release models will be for 2017 and only Panamera 4S and Turbo models. So looks like we'll have to wait for the GTS and base and S models for at least 1 iteration.
No worries..my BMW lease is up in 2018 so I think we already have a possible successor!
No worries..my BMW lease is up in 2018 so I think we already have a possible successor!