RAASpeedster

I had the opportunity to test drive a 2015 Panamera Turbo S on Saturday and was totally impressed with everything. It was a little too pricey for me so I found a 2015 GTS with 11,600 miles for $109,900. It has a lot of nice options. It listed for $133,460 and was sold in March, 2015. The CPO warranty takes it out 6 years which is really comforting. What is a good offer on my part and do these cars have any inherent problems that I should be aware of. The link is below. I will have to have it transported across the country so I have to take that into consideration too.


http://www.porschescottsdale.com/det...-14504402.html

alaint101

Tough question but I think it should be at least 5 lower.

Case: I picked up a new, 2015 GTS MRSP @ $136k for $112k from dealer. The 2017 will be different. They have '16's on the floor. They need to move it...

Skidmarkz

How far away is it optioned from how you actually want it optioned?

Jafetica888

Sounds expensive - just found a loaded 2013 GTS with only 5000miles for $80

balazskontes

take it! Is it CPO-ed?

RAASpeedster

The few things it doesn't have compared to what I would want, are not that critical. I would like the 20" wheels to be black but the salesman said they can't swap out different wheels. I find that hard to believe actually. I would have put the Porsche crest on the seats and maybe red or silver gray seat belts. Insignificant. I would not have ordered the cruise control that controls the distance but something tells me I would probably like it. It has a carbon fiber steering wheel which is heated. I don't love that since the CF gets hot as you know what in the summer. I didn't have a lot of confidence in the salesman. He was trying to tell me that the tire tread left was in mm. instead of 32nd of an inch. You would think they would know this. I offered an even 100K and he didn't even come back with a counter offer. Just said no. I will probably just wait for the refresh in 2017. My Cayenne has 140,000 miles and is running great.

TTCarrera

You will love the GTS.

On 6/30 I paid $118k for one with a $128K MSRP. So $109K for an 11,000 miles 2015 seems a bit high. But obviously, just keep raising your offer $1,000 each time until they say Yes.

Because your problem is that you are in Scottsdale in early January and that dealer is part of the Penske organization. They are very smart, well-run company. Right now, Scottsdale is flush with an extra 25,000 affluent luxury home owners who are there for the winter. They know that someone might walk into the dealership today and not even blink at over-paying for the price they ask.

Skidmarkz

I think it's possible that the tread depth is measured in mm, not /32 inch. My CPO sheet does specifically say mm tread...and 1mm is longer than 1/32 of an inch so whatever number shown is better in mm than in inch.

I had a few "Must Haves" on my GTS requirements, which made it quite hard to find the perfect one for me. For me, the must haves were LCA, 18-way seats, and SportDesign Wheel. A brand new one wasn't in my budget, but with you looking at '15s, maybe you should do a custom build.

sdg1871

Recently picked up a CPO 2013 GTS for $81k. Love the car

RAASpeedster

Thanks for all the input. I think I will build a new one myself and that way I don't have to settle for not having a must have option. I am heading out to AZ at the end of March. If that car is still there I might lowball them and see if they bite.

AndrewP

Get what you want, whether CPO's or new. If you compromise, at least do it a a price that is comfortable for you. I got a low mileage '13 CPO'd PGTS in Nov '14 with everything that I would have ordered, otherwise I would have passed.

yuanshiang

i'm also in the market for a PGTS and was wondering what peoples' opinions are on CPO vs used. i understand that CPO implies a Porsche dealership is involved in getting the car ready for sale, performing various checks and using OEM parts for any repairs that may need to happen.. but is the CPO premium truly worth it?

Preeble

I would always prefer CPO vs. used and would place a $2k to $3k premium on a CPOed car. For the prices that these cars are, that is a small premium to pay. CPO = peace of mind!

AndrewP

CPO is well worth the modest extra charge. There is a long checklist from the Porsche CPO program certification that you will receive, but be certain to check everything that you reasonably can on the list before dong the deal. Porsche requires dealers to, among mechanical and electrical functions, correct any cosmetic/body irregularities to stock condition. It is very easy for someone to check all the boxes on the checklist without actually performing the checks or corrections. Things like required interval service or tires are easy enough to check. If the dealer is not going to change oil because the car is a few months or a few thousand miles before the required interval be sure to ask them to take care of those items before a deal. My recollection is that PCNA wants to know if dealers actually delivered a CPO'd car in accordance with its specifications. I realize that this may sound cynical, but experience is a good teacher and the dealer should have zero problem with your inquiry of their completion of he checklist. if they do just walk.

Skidmarkz

I paid for the CPO because of the horror stories I've heard about 3rd party warranties. I bought the car expecting that the out of pocket repair costs will exceed the CPO premium.