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My detailer says to stay away from wax products and go full ceramic or neither.
Agree. At the very least use a high quality polymer sealer like Sonax Netshield. The wash and wax products are more like a minimal hydrophobic topper, they offer very little real protection.
The good thing about a quality ceramic coating is that it does offer a sacrificial layer and can lessen the need to wash car as often. I don't buy any of the "lifetime" claims unless you only have 2-5 years to live.
Sounds like your detailer wants to make money off you lol. But he may be right. I use ceramic on Panny twice a year for protection. On 911 will only use good wax, not sure looks better/deeper but I like doing it several times/yr and becoming one with the car
Sounds like your detailer wants to make money off you lol. But he may be right. I use ceramic on Panny twice a year for protection. On 911 will only use good wax, not sure looks better/deeper but I like doing it several times/yr and becoming one with the car
Actually, I only had him do my ceramic coating which came with a 5-year warranty (got it done on full exterior including glass and wheels). I was just talking to him about what he recommends for hand washing my car since this is the first time Ive gotten serious about doing it right. He was saying he doesnt recommend wax in general. He said I could wash with regular soap and if I want, I could do ceramic spray once in a while to help maintain the main ceramic coat for longer. His advice was free
Actually, I only had him do my ceramic coating which came with a 5-year warranty (got it done on full exterior including glass and wheels). I was just talking to him about what he recommends for hand washing my car since this is the first time Ive gotten serious about doing it right. He was saying he doesnt recommend wax in general. He said I could wash with regular soap and if I want, I could do ceramic spray once in a while to help maintain the main ceramic coat for longer. His advice was free
I wouldn't really agree with this. You need to maintain the ceramic coating. So I would do a wet spray wax on top of it every few washes depending on how you drive it
From: Former Madison, Wisconsin. Now Southwest Georgia, America (not the country of Georgia in Eastern Europe and West Asia)
Originally Posted by pilegreatest
Hello. Even if hand washing is the norm, sometimes I can't resist a quick drive-through car wash, perhaps after a recent encounter with road salt or ocean spray salt, or just because I want the car to look better some afternoon and neither hand wash nor professional detailing is feasible.
So, assuming you are willing to consider this at least under special circumstances, is there a reason to prefer brushless over touchless? Would the upgraded or advanced versions that add some wax or sealer or give special attention to wheels or something be preferred or should they be avoided?
Thanks for your thoughts.
I did not know the difference, and once out of town, I went to place that advertised Brushless. I cringed when the huge strips of cloth slopped all over my car... with the visible mud residue of baba's F-150 (straight from the crawfish ponds.)
Touchless is the least of evils. Brushless yet has some "cloth" brushing, read scratching, the finish.
Of course, I will never ever pass up a cheerleader fundraiser car wash!
Ive kept my Panamera out of the car wash. But if I had to do it, Id only do touchless. If you have ceramic coating done on your car (like I have), try to choose an option that wont spray wax on your car as wax disrupts ceramic coating.
The car wash place I go to has a conveyer belt that has raised rubber blocks that ride behind the tires pushing the car along. The tires are too wide to ride in a rail track. The place does a great job. I do the wheels myself as I had them powder coated and the barrels are deep. I installed Hawk ceramic brake pads to cut down on the dust. I also use a clay bar and Zaino's Grand Finale for the ultimate finish.
The car wash place I go to has a conveyer belt that has raised rubber blocks that ride behind the tires pushing the car along. The tires are too wide to ride in a rail track. The place does a great job. I do the wheels myself as I had them powder coated and the barrels are deep. I installed Hawk ceramic brake pads to cut down on the dust. I also use a clay bar and Zaino's Grand Finale for the ultimate finish.
Same here. I use this new car wash that has the tracks. I stopped going to another one because I was afraid the metal guides would mess up the wide Panamera wheels. Haven't had trouble yet, but they do tape down the read wipers. Sometimes I have to remind them. It's quick, so sometimes I just go to vacuum, sometimes just for the wash. If it's some minor dirty, I use the Meguiar's waterless wash to wipe off.
The car wash place I go to has a conveyer belt that has raised rubber blocks that ride behind the tires pushing the car along. The tires are too wide to ride in a rail track. The place does a great job. I do the wheels myself as I had them powder coated and the barrels are deep. I installed Hawk ceramic brake pads to cut down on the dust. I also use a clay bar and Zaino's Grand Finale for the ultimate finish.
Just be careful of how frequently you use clay bar. While mild, it is still abrasive and over time will diminish your clear coat. I generally only use clay every few years when doing a paint correction. Chemical decontaminats like IronX tend to be safer. Clay definitely has an important role in detailing, it just tends to be overused.
Clay bar must always be followed up with a polish. Though the clear coat may feel like glass after the clay, it causes micro marring which you need to buff out. After the polish, top off with your favorite coating. Clay bar should be done at most once a year. Every time you polish, you are taking off a little bit of the clear coat.
Actually, I only had him do my ceramic coating which came with a 5-year warranty (got it done on full exterior including glass and wheels). I was just talking to him about what he recommends for hand washing my car since this is the first time Ive gotten serious about doing it right. He was saying he doesnt recommend wax in general. He said I could wash with regular soap and if I want, I could do ceramic spray once in a while to help maintain the main ceramic coat for longer. His advice was free
I have a ceramic coat on my car and every time I hand wash it, I spray some ceramic detailer on the surface when I towel dry it. This helps to prevent any scratches from drying and tops off the ceramic coating. Do not use quick detailers on a dry / dirty surface.
What I ended up doing this past winter when it got nasty from the road salt was just using a pressure washer to get most of it off. I got it ceramic coated a few months ago, so now just hand wash with the same manufacturer's products to keep up the ceramic. The best thing I did was bought a 4x4 F-150 to drive in crappy weather. The Panamera will sit in the garage.
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