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I'm not sure what all the commotion is about. Seems like BGB is looking to offer up a developed tune for those of us who have a Panamera GTS. Nobody who owns an expensive car like this would risk blowing it up, and it sure doesn't seem like BGB is spouting off any BS marketing or trying to fool anyone. Anyway, I've been watching the forums, and waiting for someone (APR or others) to show me that there is a tune that works with as little downside as possible. John at BGB has been running the tune on his car, so i know he's spent time making sure it's right. If nobody else is going to be the first review, might as well be me.
I've ordered an OBD reader and I'll report back, with completely legit and unbiased feedback, once it's all up and running. I plan to upload to a 2022 Panamera GTS Sport Turismo so i can get my family to the store even faster than before! It should be fun considering I'm on winter tires at the moment...
I m confuse what OBD reader are you talking about? the only way to get it tuned is to remove the ECU from your car and send it in to get it hack then they can flash it. It isn't like you can plug something in. Plus I m not too sure if the 22 ECU can be tuned jfyi. the older 2018- 21 can but not too sure on the 22
Originally Posted by Beedracer
I'm not sure what all the commotion is about. Seems like BGB is looking to offer up a developed tune for those of us who have a Panamera GTS. Nobody who owns an expensive car like this would risk blowing it up, and it sure doesn't seem like BGB is spouting off any BS marketing or trying to fool anyone. Anyway, I've been watching the forums, and waiting for someone (APR or others) to show me that there is a tune that works with as little downside as possible. John at BGB has been running the tune on his car, so i know he's spent time making sure it's right. If nobody else is going to be the first review, might as well be me.
I've ordered an OBD reader and I'll report back, with completely legit and unbiased feedback, once it's all up and running. I plan to upload to a 2022 Panamera GTS Sport Turismo so i can get my family to the store even faster than before! It should be fun considering I'm on winter tires at the moment...
I love my 971.1 GTS, it is an awesome car. I would love to be able to get a little more power out of it while keep the within the convervative range.
it sound like the ECU have to remove and send in, if it is possible to flash at home via OBD scanner like how we did on Audi's tune with 034 I would be consider it.
or once it is hacked, user can flash and update on their own after? would dealer know it is hacked?
if it is possible to flash at home via OBD scanner like how we did on Audi's tune with 034 I would be consider it.or once it is hacked, user can flash and update on their own after? would dealer know it is hacked?
subscribed and follow the progress..
Yes. The Panameras, Cayennes and 992s allow for the ability to flash like the BMWs do with the OBD-ETHERNET cable; what this means is that it's wicked fast. It's the fastest read / write i have ever seen in 20 years of doing this.
To summarize, you take delivery of the cable that costs an exorbitant $20 via AMAZON. You download the client to your PC - I can do this for you remotely or via Teamviewer but you then read out the file, it gets uploaded to the server (because of the myriad of available ROMs) and what you get returned is your modfied file that you can add / remove whenever you want. NOTE: WHETHER OR NOT THE DEALERSHIP CAN TELL THE CAR HAS BEEN FLASHED IS IRRELEVANT - WE DO NOT RECOMMEND EVER TRYING TO GET FREE WARRANTY DIAGNOSIS FOR CEL REASONS WHEN YOU ARE THE REASON YOU HAVE THE CEL. The dealership is not the enemy and if you are honest about everything it's best. Having said that, there should not be concerns regarding this whatsoever.
DISCLAIMER:
I HAVE BEEN DRIVING AROUND ON THIS CALIBRATION FOR 2 YEARS AND 20,000 MILES OF DOING LAUNCH CONTROL, AGGRESSIVE DRIVING, ETC. FOR ANYONE THAT THINKS THAT I AM GETTING RICH PUSHING THIS PRODUCT, IF YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT I PURCHASED THIS CAR TO DEVELOP THIS FLASH BECAUSE I THINK IT'S LUDICROUS THAT WE CAN'T HAVE TURBO POWER IN A GTS. I PURCHASED THIS CAR BECAUSE THE 4.0L AUDI ENGINE IS A BEAST AND IT GOES IN THE URUS, CAYENNE, AUDIs AND BENTLEY CARS. IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT I HAVE BEEN MAKING PAYMENTS ON THIS CAR AND SPENDING TRIPLE DIGIT HOURS FLASHING AND TESTING AND TINKERING.
MOST FIRMS PURCHASE CAN TUNES AND SELL THEM TO YOU ON THE WEB FOR $1000. IF YOU DO NOT SEE THE VALUE IN PAYING A FRACTION OF THE COST FOR TURBO POWER IN A GTS WHEN SOMEONE HAS SPENT THOUSANDS OF THEIR OWN BILLABLE TIME DEVELOPING AND TESTING, YOU WONT HURT OUR FEELINGS - BUT THIS IS NOT THE FILE FOR YOU! IF HOWEVER YOU OWN A TURBO OR A GTS AND YOU WANT YOUR P CAR TO IMPRESS YOUR TESLA OWNING FRIENDS, THIS IS THE FLASH FOR YOU!
UPDATE: On Friday i read out BEEDRACER's 2021 GTS Sport Turismo. After 12 hours and lots of comments from the wife and working up late nights AND MOSTLY changing 118 maps, he is ready!
UPDATE: On Friday i read out BEEDRACER's 2021 GTS Sport Turismo. After 12 hours and lots of comments from the wife and working up late nights AND MOSTLY changing 118 maps, he is ready!
Exciting! Looking forward to the results and feedback from BEEDRACER.
I’m down in the Melbourne, FL area and when time permits, maybe I could head up your way to experience the results in your test/proving vehicle - for install consideration on my 2022 GTS Sport Turismo.
The 971, you need to ask the dealer to remove the tune for you if you decide to sell the car as you can not do it yourself. The 970 can already do it already, by plugging this in and then click program.
Sorry, I was just busting ***** of the OP not catering to 970 owners despite a few requests throughout this thread. I know 970 turbo has tuning options (I recently got one. Not currently saying from where, as I'm still playing with it and deciding if I like it).
Sorry, I was just busting ***** of the OP not catering to 970 owners despite a few requests throughout this thread. I know 970 turbo has tuning options (I recently got one. Not currently saying from where, as I'm still playing with it and deciding if I like it).
If I did not enjoy that meme so much i would probably be offended!! I do need to give you guys an answer and it's just that this is the ECU with which i have spent the most time. I will be the first person to tell someone that "if there's already an existing solution that's tried and tested and rather good, i don't have the confidence to think i can best it without spending a bunch of time with it. In order to do so, it would be easiest for me to go and find a 970 because i want to know the drivability of the file. For me, the power improvement is easy but keeping it linear and smooth is the hardest.
As recent as today i was back on the dyno because we had some good weather and i wanted to see how our smoother, slightly less strong and somewhat "plenty for everyone" tune was doing.
I am looking only at the RPM range from 3K to 6.2K because when i went back and baselined the stock tune again today i had a different lift off point and it looks hokey to post it.
Right now we are delivering +70twhp and +40 lb.ft at 3.7K RPMs and +80rwhp and +70 lb.ft @ 5800 RPM.
Last edited by BGB Motorsports; Jan 31, 2024 at 04:00 PM.
Your comments about "going and finding a 970" maybe confirm what I was thinking, that you don't have a 970 in the fleet. It seems common for smaller shops to only have the resources to sink time effort and money into the vehicles that are in the owner / employees personal fleet.
And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. Just that it's a thing I've noticed / reality.
If anything, it's commendable that you didn't borrow a 970 for a day, dyno-tune it in an afternoon, and then market a product based on half-assed R&D.
So I guess basically what I'm saying is - you need to sell your 971 and buy a 970 to daily drive so that I can benefit from it.
Your comments about "going and finding a 970" maybe confirm what I was thinking, that you don't have a 970 in the fleet. It seems common for smaller shops to only have the resources to sink time effort and money into the vehicles that are in the owner / employees personal fleet.
And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. Just that it's a thing I've noticed / reality.
If anything, it's commendable that you didn't borrow a 970 for a day, dyno-tune it in an afternoon, and then market a product based on half-assed R&D.
So I guess basically what I'm saying is - you need to sell your 971 and buy a 970 to daily drive so that I can benefit from it.
That has been my approach since day one. I do not feel right trying to sell products and services if I myself have not tested them and tried to make them fail. When I do these calibrations, I spend dozens of hours and flash the cars dozens of times to try and get it right. For me, it's not just upping the cowbell so I can copy and paste. I take it personally when someone puts something in their car like this, and isn't overly pleased. I was lucky enough to drive all of the 987.2s on track and to/from work until we raced them. The first 981 GT4 was my daily and 800 miles into it, we installed the X51 motor. 3 months later i had flashed the ECU 87 times trying to map it perfectly for the cams. On the 718 GT4, we used the house car for the on/off mapping of the PSE and calibration.
Last edited by BGB Motorsports; Jan 31, 2024 at 08:27 PM.
Remember in class when the teacher would say "okay, pencils down!?" I am stopping for now. I made and revised about half a dozen calibrations between the dyno, my house and the highway. I have mapped the car so that all hell doesn't break loose until after more than 70% throttle so that the car isn't like some cars i have driven that feel like an on/off switch.
The original calibration that spit out 618/742 and was the original posting has been revised to be something that is as smooth as possible and a bit more conservative - it was truly a Stage II map. This Stage I map does not require a remapped transmission file. Power and torque have been lowered slightly to take some off the table and be more conservative. The end result is almost as strong but subtantially more linear; pay close attention to the flat curves in the higher end of the RPM range.
Finally, i loaded the stock file back in and let the car sit for a few hours and then loaded the fans on again and cooled the shop to do a no-nonsense back to back stock calibration comparison.
What are your thoughts on a tune for the Turbo S e-hybrid? Would you use the same tune, or does the profile of the extra power and torque from the e-motor make you want to change the power characteristics of gas engine? And would it still be safe to leave PDK in original tune?
Exciting! Looking forward to the results and feedback from BEEDRACER.
I’m down in the Melbourne, FL area and when time permits, maybe I could head up your way to experience the results in your test/proving vehicle - for install consideration on my 2022 GTS Sport Turismo.
My apologies for finally responding to your offer; if it still stands, i would like to take you up on it! The folks at DeadBeef Flash told me that they would waive the 499 pound sterling charge for the client that is needed for every car and locked to your VIN so that they could make sure that all of connection issues that were specific to the 971.1 have been resolved. In addition, if you want to volunteer to be my unbiased 3rd party tester, that would be awesome. We should find a time for you to come up here and we can log the car and flash it! £499£499£499£499
Originally Posted by jakermc
What are your thoughts on a tune for the Turbo S e-hybrid? Would you use the same tune, or does the profile of the extra power and torque from the e-motor make you want to change the power characteristics of gas engine? And would it still be safe to leave PDK in original tune?
Thanks for all your work on this! Great stuff.
You are quite welcome! With time and with the ability to be able to test something, anything is possible. My concerns though would be as mentioned before, i am not comfortable sending anyone anything that i have not driven on repeatedly. In addition, i am afraid the limit of the original software for the transmission OR the transmission itself might be 1000 NM. When i start making over 700 lb/ft at the tires on our Dynojet, it angers the transmssion. It could just be a matter of flushing fluid, calibrating and adapting BUT again, if it's causing me an issue, i can't keep it at that level and then send to others.
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