Why a Panamera over competitors
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Why a Panamera over competitors
I am considering leaving my m5 for a Panamera GTS or Turbo.
The m5 community obviously prefer the m5 for a variety of reasons but wanted to see what the Porsche communities reasons for choosing the Panamera over its competitors (BMW, MB, etc) are.
There are clearly less expensive, more powerful, equally luxurious options out there so just wanted to know what made owners decide on their Panameras.
The m5 community obviously prefer the m5 for a variety of reasons but wanted to see what the Porsche communities reasons for choosing the Panamera over its competitors (BMW, MB, etc) are.
There are clearly less expensive, more powerful, equally luxurious options out there so just wanted to know what made owners decide on their Panameras.
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1. Its a Porsche
2. Interior and comfort - when you compare you will see no equal options for comfort
3. Performance (turbo) - can get more powerful but not in equal year or compatible price, with 4 passenger vehicle, especially if its PDCC, turbo/s, sport exh, air susp, maybe PCCB
4. Tunability
5. Its a Porsche
2. Interior and comfort - when you compare you will see no equal options for comfort
3. Performance (turbo) - can get more powerful but not in equal year or compatible price, with 4 passenger vehicle, especially if its PDCC, turbo/s, sport exh, air susp, maybe PCCB
4. Tunability
5. Its a Porsche
I am considering leaving my m5 for a Panamera GTS or Turbo.
The m5 community obviously prefer the m5 for a variety of reasons but wanted to see what the Porsche communities reasons for choosing the Panamera over its competitors (BMW, MB, etc) are.
There are clearly less expensive, more powerful, equally luxurious options out there so just wanted to know what made owners decide on their Panameras.
The m5 community obviously prefer the m5 for a variety of reasons but wanted to see what the Porsche communities reasons for choosing the Panamera over its competitors (BMW, MB, etc) are.
There are clearly less expensive, more powerful, equally luxurious options out there so just wanted to know what made owners decide on their Panameras.
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What are you in now?
The rs6 would be a reason to hold off on a new car until more details come out on it. Never driven an RS car - have heard rave reviews and also some less flattering ones but have always liked the rs6 Avant, not sure if it’s because it was unattainable here in the US so there was a mythical hype about it.
The rs6 would be a reason to hold off on a new car until more details come out on it. Never driven an RS car - have heard rave reviews and also some less flattering ones but have always liked the rs6 Avant, not sure if it’s because it was unattainable here in the US so there was a mythical hype about it.
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I chose the GTS Sport Turismo because it didn't quite look like a wagon, had the utility of a SUV, and yet kept the handling of a Porsche. I could only have one car in the garage as the other spot was already taken... Yes, there could be arguments made for other vehicles out there that are quicker, less expensive, and possibly designed more handsomely but as in life, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the heart wants what the heart wants. The GTS ST ticks all the boxes for me as well as provides me with a certain level of rarity because I don't pass that many of them on the roadways. I like marching to the beat of my own drum; sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. At the end of the day, I'm usually content with my decisions as I've done enough research to not have to look back and live with too many regrets. That being said, the M5 is a wonderful car with many pros but the Panamera is not like the 911, IMHO, that is less polarizing and easier to love because of its driving dynamics. I guess it just comes down to the simple pro/con list between the two with the largest con being the price of a new Panamera. If you're ok getting a low-mileage CPO, then all bets are off. Good luck!
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What are you in now?
The rs6 would be a reason to hold off on a new car until more details come out on it. Never driven an RS car - have heard rave reviews and also some less flattering ones but have always liked the rs6 Avant, not sure if it’s because it was unattainable here in the US so there was a mythical hype about it.
The rs6 would be a reason to hold off on a new car until more details come out on it. Never driven an RS car - have heard rave reviews and also some less flattering ones but have always liked the rs6 Avant, not sure if it’s because it was unattainable here in the US so there was a mythical hype about it.
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Originally Posted by ACowabunga
I chose the GTS Sport Turismo because it didn't quite look like a wagon, had the utility of a SUV, and yet kept the handling of a Porsche. I could only have one car in the garage as the other spot was already taken... Yes, there could be arguments made for other vehicles out there that are quicker, less expensive, and possibly designed more handsomely but as in life, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the heart wants what the heart wants. The GTS ST ticks all the boxes for me as well as provides me with a certain level of rarity because I don't pass that many of them on the roadways. I like marching to the beat of my own drum; sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. At the end of the day, I'm usually content with my decisions as I've done enough research to not have to look back and live with too many regrets. That being said, the M5 is a wonderful car with many pros but the Panamera is not like the 911, IMHO, that is less polarizing and easier to love because of its driving dynamics. I guess it just comes down to the simple pro/con list between the two with the largest con being the price of a new Panamera. If you're ok getting a low-mileage CPO, then all bets are off. Good luck!
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The Panamera is better than the numbers indicate out in the real world but is a poor value by any standard I would use. I like the dynamics in the Panamera better, no question, but you get a lot loaded comp for 130 which is a GTS without any options. Get a comparable options package and you're looking at 175k for the GTS, a substantial upcharge for a car with less performance. If the price were more competitive I'd give it to the Porsche without a second thought due to the better dynamics but you give up a lot for those dynamics and they aren't tangible; no one but you can really judge their value. In the end I've had several M cars and wanted to do something different and I have the Panamera. It isn't a choice I regret but I think it's one some people will wish they never made.
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The Panamera is better than the numbers indicate out in the real world but is a poor value by any standard I would use. I like the dynamics in the Panamera better, no question, but you get a lot loaded comp for 130 which is a GTS without any options. Get a comparable options package and you're looking at 175k for the GTS, a substantial upcharge for a car with less performance. If the price were more competitive I'd give it to the Porsche without a second thought due to the better dynamics but you give up a lot for those dynamics and they aren't tangible; no one but you can really judge their value. In the end I've had several M cars and wanted to do something different and I have the Panamera. It isn't a choice I regret but I think it's one some people will wish they never made.
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the resale market for a Panamera is a lot more limited than for a BMW M5 - FWIW. Very few people looking for them and almost nobody wants one outside of warranty - which is somewhat ironic because I would take a Panamera out of warranty over a F10 M5 out of warranty any day! But the price point and service costs and perceived complexity and potential repair bills on these cars really limit the potential buyers. The M5's drop quicker to a price point that people either take a risk or they impulse buy not knowing what they are getting into. Less of that with a Porsche. Just an observation - I've had my S model for 1.5 years now - bought it as a CPO car. New gives more options on extending the warranty but figure the car will be worth half of whatever you pay for it in a few short years. For a $80K BMW that is one thing, for a $130K Porsche - that is a bigger pill to swallow. Yes - it's a better car in every way. What that is worth to you is more of a personal decision. I went from an E39 M5 to the 970 Panamera. It filled my needs for an excellent grand touring road trip car - but I still in some ways get mad at all the money I have tied up in it since I have other cars I drive more often. I am slowly coming to terms with that - if it were my only car or my main car that would be another matter - but then again I Wouldn't want to drop that kind of miles on a car like this.
They are super nice cars tho - I will say that - nothing bad to say about the luxury, fit / finish, features, seats and ergonomics, and the driving dynamics are second to none for a sedan. But again - at what price.
They are super nice cars tho - I will say that - nothing bad to say about the luxury, fit / finish, features, seats and ergonomics, and the driving dynamics are second to none for a sedan. But again - at what price.
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Porsche has special sauce. That's why you're looking at it. Its never the best deal, and they don't always destroy ever other car. You pay a pretty heft premium to drive a Porsche - that's why I drive a used one!
They do typically have better build quality and are more reliable than the other German makers.
Just by the numbers an M5, RS7, and E63 are going to be better cost/HP. The Porsche generally will have better ride quality, better steering, and in my opinion are much more unique looking. The base model Panamera is still an exceptional car. The base model 5 series isn't really anything special.
They do typically have better build quality and are more reliable than the other German makers.
Just by the numbers an M5, RS7, and E63 are going to be better cost/HP. The Porsche generally will have better ride quality, better steering, and in my opinion are much more unique looking. The base model Panamera is still an exceptional car. The base model 5 series isn't really anything special.
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I have a Panamera 4S and I am looking at replacing it for a V8 car. So I immediately took a test drive on the new M5. It is a good car, but the Porsche is a class above it. The suspension is not nearly as good at absorbing imperfections as the PASM on the 971, it has lots of turbo lag (which I did not feel on the old F10 M5) and it is not as well built as the Porsche. The fake noise coming from the speakers makes it feel like a synthetic car. The steering is also very assisted and does nat have the feel and road connection as the Panamera. I also test drove a GLC 63 S, which is a totally different car, however, it feels more fun to drive than the BMW even if it not very well built (it had lots of rattles and cheap plastic in the interior), and has a relatively compliant drive with 20 inch wheels as the sidewalls are pretty big. I also test drove the 2018 E63 S a while back and did not like because of the harsh suspension on 20 inch wheels.
I think the Panamera Turbo is the way to go for someone looking at a practical everyday V8 car. I particularly like the ST but that is just personal taste.
I think the Panamera Turbo is the way to go for someone looking at a practical everyday V8 car. I particularly like the ST but that is just personal taste.
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I bought a car that a PNA sold to the dealer as a demo at a substantial discount. Agree that the big issues with Pannys is the price above the competition. I bought mine because I've been driving 911 turbos for awhile and wanted a 4 door car so I could fit 4 people comfortably. Resale can be an issue at that price point as well. And I don't think as many people jumped at the STs in the US as Porsche initially anticipated (the few that North Houston had sat for awhile).
The ST appealed to me because it had the middle seat (conceptually, could fit kid there) and I like the lines of the car. I really like the car. If you buy the car right, it's awesome.
The ST appealed to me because it had the middle seat (conceptually, could fit kid there) and I like the lines of the car. I really like the car. If you buy the car right, it's awesome.
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I bought a car that a PNA sold to the dealer as a demo at a substantial discount. Agree that the big issues with Pannys is the price above the competition. I bought mine because I've been driving 911 turbos for awhile and wanted a 4 door car so I could fit 4 people comfortably. Resale can be an issue at that price point as well. And I don't think as many people jumped at the STs in the US as Porsche initially anticipated (the few that North Houston had sat for awhile).
The ST appealed to me because it had the middle seat (conceptually, could fit kid there) and I like the lines of the car. I really like the car. If you buy the car right, it's awesome.
The ST appealed to me because it had the middle seat (conceptually, could fit kid there) and I like the lines of the car. I really like the car. If you buy the car right, it's awesome.