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I 100% believe that the 991.2 GT3 is going to soften the GT4 market aggressively (and by extension the 997 GT3 market which will in turn conquer some additional GT4 owners). You can already see all of them dumped in anticipation. It'll just get worse. That being said, there is far too great of a floor below them with 981 base, S, GTS prices which are backed up by solid 987 prices. 944 prices are on the rise as well as other formerly "affordable" models. Bottom line is it is getting harder to get a cheap Porsche so I don't see that whole support system buckling enough to let the GT4 sink too far but I see 10-20% below MSRP happening no question.
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Everyone on Rennlist is a market expert. But I've waited in vain for years and 8000 posts later to have someone PM me about a stock that I buy low and then it explodes.
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Forgive me, but i may have missed you saying so in the thread, but have you test driven both the 997 GT3 and the GT4?
I was similarly in your position 4 months ago. Looking to spend ~$100k, and basically came down to a mid/high mileage 997.2 GT3 or a low-ish mileage GT4. I was fortunate enough to drive one of each on consecutive days, so the comparison was fresh in mind.
This is a GT4 subforum, so I don't want to devolve into another versus thread. But I encourage you test driving both if you haven't done so. They are somewhat different beasts, so to speak.
I ultimately made the decision I did, and very happy. Given what you are about to spend, I would make sure "what if" doesn't give some buyers remorse after the fact.
Best of luck.
Forgive me, but i may have missed you saying so in the thread, but have you test driven both the 997 GT3 and the GT4?
I was similarly in your position 4 months ago. Looking to spend ~$100k, and basically came down to a mid/high mileage 997.2 GT3 or a low-ish mileage GT4. I was fortunate enough to drive one of each on consecutive days, so the comparison was fresh in mind.
This is a GT4 subforum, so I don't want to devolve into another versus thread. But I encourage you test driving both if you haven't done so. They are somewhat different beasts, so to speak.
I ultimately made the decision I did, and very happy. Given what you are about to spend, I would make sure "what if" doesn't give some buyers remorse after the fact.
Best of luck.
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I actually have been able to drive both and understand they are different cars. I've also done a day at the Porsche Performance Driving School and drove the different platforms. I like with the Cayman that I can tell where all four corners of the car is and it felt a little more nimble. That and a car under warranty is a plus.
I actually have been able to drive both and understand they are different cars. I've also done a day at the Porsche Performance Driving School and drove the different platforms. I like with the Cayman that I can tell where all four corners of the car is and it felt a little more nimble. That and a car under warranty is a plus.
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Would I trade my GT4 straight up for a low mileage 997 GT3??? Wow!!!- this would be interesting!!.
I do not track so would have to drive them side-by-side on the street. Which, would be fun
But - if the next GT3 will come with a Manual it would not matter. There is no way I would want a 997 GT3 if I can have a 991.2 GT3 with a manual.
Can always keep the GT4 and the 991.2.
What I am saying is the GT4 is a different experience and is some what unique right now.
I do not track so would have to drive them side-by-side on the street. Which, would be fun
But - if the next GT3 will come with a Manual it would not matter. There is no way I would want a 997 GT3 if I can have a 991.2 GT3 with a manual.
Can always keep the GT4 and the 991.2.
What I am saying is the GT4 is a different experience and is some what unique right now.
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I 100% believe that the 991.2 GT3 is going to soften the GT4 market aggressively (and by extension the 997 GT3 market which will in turn conquer some additional GT4 owners). You can already see all of them dumped in anticipation. It'll just get worse. That being said, there is far too great of a floor below them with 981 base, S, GTS prices which are backed up by solid 987 prices. 944 prices are on the rise as well as other formerly "affordable" models. Bottom line is it is getting harder to get a cheap Porsche so I don't see that whole support system buckling enough to let the GT4 sink too far but I see 10-20% below MSRP happening no question.
many ppl decided that's that their car
some speculators getting caught with pants down
it will stablize and may move up after 991.2gt3
the delta in $ b/n 4 and 3 is not small.
many ppl think they will get 991.2gt3 allocation... perhaps should think again. the early allocation are hard to come by and usually at premium so the delta is $ is even bigger.
many buying 991.2gt3 doesn't need or want to sell GT4
nevertheless those are just my guesses and it will be fun watching from the sidelines.
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gt4 drops a little
many ppl decided that's that their car
some speculators getting caught with pants down
it will stablize and may move up after 991.2gt3
the delta in $ b/n 4 and 3 is not small.
many ppl think they will get 991.2gt3 allocation... perhaps should think again. the early allocation are hard to come by and usually at premium so the delta is $ is even bigger.
many buying 991.2gt3 doesn't need or want to sell GT4
nevertheless those are just my guesses and it will be fun watching from the sidelines.
many ppl decided that's that their car
some speculators getting caught with pants down
it will stablize and may move up after 991.2gt3
the delta in $ b/n 4 and 3 is not small.
many ppl think they will get 991.2gt3 allocation... perhaps should think again. the early allocation are hard to come by and usually at premium so the delta is $ is even bigger.
many buying 991.2gt3 doesn't need or want to sell GT4
nevertheless those are just my guesses and it will be fun watching from the sidelines.
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Living with my 10 GT3 and the clutch in traffic was not my idea of fun. The 15 GT3 solved that problem but I needed to be in the upper rev range to have fun. The GT4 kind of slots in the middle. It's fun around town and I find it to be fun on track. It isn't going to replace the 9000 rpm sound and shifts of the 991 GT3. Maybe a 991.2 GT3 manual with the DLC problems sorted out will be a better car.
Right now I'm happy with the GT4.
Right now I'm happy with the GT4.
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Living with my 10 GT3 and the clutch in traffic was not my idea of fun. The 15 GT3 solved that problem but I needed to be in the upper rev range to have fun. The GT4 kind of slots in the middle. It's fun around town and I find it to be fun on track. It isn't going to replace the 9000 rpm sound and shifts of the 991 GT3. Maybe a 991.2 GT3 manual with the DLC problems sorted out will be a better car.
Right now I'm happy with the GT4.
Right now I'm happy with the GT4.
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i am in line for one.
but i really prefer PDK-S. it's just better and more fun for me. clutch to me is a pure waste of time. i know how to heel and toe, no need to keep doing it. but that's just me. and i have enough old cars with stick already.
i hope there will be .2RS and ONLY in PDK. as to me, that's how the car should be. then i will sell the .2GT3
but i really prefer PDK-S. it's just better and more fun for me. clutch to me is a pure waste of time. i know how to heel and toe, no need to keep doing it. but that's just me. and i have enough old cars with stick already.
i hope there will be .2RS and ONLY in PDK. as to me, that's how the car should be. then i will sell the .2GT3
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i am in line for one.
but i really prefer PDK-S. it's just better and more fun for me. clutch to me is a pure waste of time. i know how to heel and toe, no need to keep doing it. but that's just me. and i have enough old cars with stick already.
i hope there will be .2RS and ONLY in PDK. as to me, that's how the car should be. then i will sell the .2GT3
but i really prefer PDK-S. it's just better and more fun for me. clutch to me is a pure waste of time. i know how to heel and toe, no need to keep doing it. but that's just me. and i have enough old cars with stick already.
i hope there will be .2RS and ONLY in PDK. as to me, that's how the car should be. then i will sell the .2GT3
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Its nice to be in a thread where people exchange friendly chat and just share their experiences with various models.
At one point while reading I couldn't remember that I was in the GT4 forum and that put a smile on my face.
At one point while reading I couldn't remember that I was in the GT4 forum and that put a smile on my face.
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I just purchased a black on black stripper with no options and 3000 miles for $85K from Porsche St. Louis. I couldn't be happier to know it has zero options. I don't care about LWB's or full leather, etc. I plan to track the car and drive it in a way it was meant for.
I also own a 2016 Cayman GTS that I ordered and is a high spec build. That car has all the goodies for a nice weekend cruiser.
The GT4 though? Nothing on it. I love it!
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The GTS:
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I also own a 2016 Cayman GTS that I ordered and is a high spec build. That car has all the goodies for a nice weekend cruiser.
The GT4 though? Nothing on it. I love it!
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The GTS:
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LMFAO, but that avatar of yours is not the right seat for GT4. you will be ostracized.
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