LSD thoughts?
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I, too, have been surprised by the lack of interest expressed on this forum for an upgraded LSD. I've had a Guard LSD in my last 3 Caymans. The GT4 has PTV and perhaps people believe a better LSD is unnecessary. Does anyone know how PTV will operate with a different LSD?
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#18
What!? I would like to confirm this. It seems really silly that they allow you to turn off all nannies, but then PTV still lurks in the background. That is very "non-GT" of Porsche.....
#19
Well I'm sure they would tell you that it's because PTV is a performance-enhancing feature (compared to the stock diff and no PTV at all), not a nanny. They don't allow you to switch PASM into a mode that emulates a fixed suspension setup either, for example.
#20
Ring gear backlash is a tolerance that Porsche publishes to 1/100ths of a millimeter. They make a special dial gauge to measure this. You do it too loose or too tight and a year later when your pinion gear breaks, the hack mechanic is just going to shrug his shoulders and say,"You tracked your car. That's racing". I try not to let those guys represent my brand.
#21
Message Tecce about this. On the 996 and 987 cars the way to fool the system is to disable the yaw sensor. For the racecars they just kill it. For DE cars they put a switch in that allows you to kill the signal on track but turn it on when you go back on the street. John knows way more about how to make the electronics get out of your way that I will ever know. I'm the mechanical guy.
#22
Message Tecce about this. On the 996 and 987 cars the way to fool the system is to disable the yaw sensor. For the racecars they just kill it. For DE cars they put a switch in that allows you to kill the signal on track but turn it on when you go back on the street. John knows way more about how to make the electronics get out of your way that I will ever know. I'm the mechanical guy.
I smell a GT4-version of the "LSD buster" thread coming.....good for business!
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Message Tecce about this. On the 996 and 987 cars the way to fool the system is to disable the yaw sensor. For the racecars they just kill it. For DE cars they put a switch in that allows you to kill the signal on track but turn it on when you go back on the street. John knows way more about how to make the electronics get out of your way that I will ever know. I'm the mechanical guy.
Sorry, but no. I don't do direct sales. I'm a wholesale manufacturer. My parts do not lend themselves to DIY installation and as such I only sell through authorized installers. That way I know that the guy putting it in, knows what he's doing and isn't going to ruin your gearbox with a bad install.
Ring gear backlash is a tolerance that Porsche publishes to 1/100ths of a millimeter. They make a special dial gauge to measure this. You do it too loose or too tight and a year later when your pinion gear breaks, the hack mechanic is just going to shrug his shoulders and say,"You tracked your car. That's racing". I try not to let those guys represent my brand.
Ring gear backlash is a tolerance that Porsche publishes to 1/100ths of a millimeter. They make a special dial gauge to measure this. You do it too loose or too tight and a year later when your pinion gear breaks, the hack mechanic is just going to shrug his shoulders and say,"You tracked your car. That's racing". I try not to let those guys represent my brand.
#25
Matt and I talk about this often and ponder as to why more LSDs haven't sold but I think that we can all agree that the more you guys and gals go on track with the car, the more you will burn up your stock one and the more apt you will be to buying a Guard LSD. I refuse to run anything BUT Guard transmission products in our cars for obvious reasons, not just because Matt and I like to discuss old re-runs of Miami Vice and the A-Team.
#26
The GT4 has the same LSD as what came on all 2011 and newer 987.2s and all Cayman Rs; it is a mechanical locking LSD from the factory with carbon lined clutch discs that will last about 10 weekends on track. Once it goes, you're toast and you're not going to get it replaced under warranty. I think Matt quoted the lockup % early but the factory Cayman GT4 LSD is a 22/27 locking mechanical diff.
Once the LSD is burned out does it act the same as an open diff?
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That's more of a Matt question; some people say yes but i have a hard time believing that it's like an open diff with 1 wheel fire. Let's say that maybe you go down to like a 8% lockup on power and coast. It's still doing something, albeit a lot less.
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#29
In theory you could cut the lateral accelerometer out of the equation so that it kills the PSM entirely like we used to on the 987.2s BUT you have a button already on the car for doing this; it's called TC off. Turning off the ESC limits the yaw control while cutting off the TC turns off the "traction control" which is what controls the wheelspin and activates the rear ABD (automatic brake distribution.) So, run the TC off and you will get less of the ABD intrusion in the rear at corner exit. Given how much drifting i have seen in the road test videos and how much rotation i see out of the 991s and 981s on track at the limit, i don't think there is any reason whatsoever to go cutting out the PSM like we used to, just push the button.
Correct. The GT4 has the same LSD as what came on all 2011 and newer 987.2s and all Cayman Rs; it is a mechanical locking LSD from the factory with carbon lined clutch discs that will last about 10 weekends on track. Once it goes, you're toast and you're not going to get it replaced under warranty. I think Matt quoted the lockup % early but the factory Cayman GT4 LSD is a 22/27 locking mechanical diff.
Matt and I talk about this often and ponder as to why more LSDs haven't sold but I think that we can all agree that the more you guys and gals go on track with the car, the more you will burn up your stock one and the more apt you will be to buying a Guard LSD. I refuse to run anything BUT Guard transmission products in our cars for obvious reasons, not just because Matt and I like to discuss old re-runs of Miami Vice and the A-Team.
Correct. The GT4 has the same LSD as what came on all 2011 and newer 987.2s and all Cayman Rs; it is a mechanical locking LSD from the factory with carbon lined clutch discs that will last about 10 weekends on track. Once it goes, you're toast and you're not going to get it replaced under warranty. I think Matt quoted the lockup % early but the factory Cayman GT4 LSD is a 22/27 locking mechanical diff.
Matt and I talk about this often and ponder as to why more LSDs haven't sold but I think that we can all agree that the more you guys and gals go on track with the car, the more you will burn up your stock one and the more apt you will be to buying a Guard LSD. I refuse to run anything BUT Guard transmission products in our cars for obvious reasons, not just because Matt and I like to discuss old re-runs of Miami Vice and the A-Team.
I am very concerned. I assuming you have pulled apart a fair number of diffs to confirm the wear/tear you mentioned. While the fix is a new/upgraded diff. What kind of cost are we talking about and what kind of life can I expect out of one which sees 12+ events a year?
Needless to say you have struck a nerve.
#30
Question 2 (sorry for asking this before you answer question 1).
Is there anything we can do to limit the wear and tear on the stock diff. I.E. some kind of cooler (even though I thought I noticed one when looking under the car), running with the nannies on to eliminate wheel spin, better fluid, or etc.
Is there anything we can do to limit the wear and tear on the stock diff. I.E. some kind of cooler (even though I thought I noticed one when looking under the car), running with the nannies on to eliminate wheel spin, better fluid, or etc.