Guess someone was right about PDK!
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Salivating! Anyone have info on when it will be available and the price? Sounds like the car will provide many benefits of a race car, but without the cost of frequent engine and transmission rebuilds.
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What part about racing street car parts dictates less frequent rebuilding? Has anyone priced a crate 3.8l engine or PDK from the dealership recently? And what kind of premium will be attached because they are specific to this car? Running costs will be less than a Cup but not by much.
And you lose cafeteria repairs. If a guy blows 3rd on his Cup he can replace 3rd. If a guy blows 3rd on his PDK he buys a gearbox.
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People keep saying this. I do not think it means what they think it means.
What part about racing street car parts dictates less frequent rebuilding? Has anyone priced a crate 3.8l engine or PDK from the dealership recently? And what kind of premium will be attached because they are specific to this car? Running costs will be less than a Cup but not by much.
And you lose cafeteria repairs. If a guy blows 3rd on his Cup he can replace 3rd. If a guy blows 3rd on his PDK he buys a gearbox.
What part about racing street car parts dictates less frequent rebuilding? Has anyone priced a crate 3.8l engine or PDK from the dealership recently? And what kind of premium will be attached because they are specific to this car? Running costs will be less than a Cup but not by much.
And you lose cafeteria repairs. If a guy blows 3rd on his Cup he can replace 3rd. If a guy blows 3rd on his PDK he buys a gearbox.
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I personally don't understand the title of this thread : there's no PDK GT4 coming,at least not in this generation. This is a race car that is not street legal. I'm not surprised it's PDK because you want to be as fast as you can be on the track. Also,we knew this car's coming for over a year. The only thing we didn't know was its designated name. We thought it will be called GT4 cup.
So where's the novelty here?
So where's the novelty here?
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A little back story. This conversation came up when I asked Andreas Preuninger if they would offer the GT4 in PDK as he alluded during the time of the release of the GT4. He said PDK was complete for the GT4, here, now. I questioned it 3 times. Why, WTF, Why change anything if you can't deliver what has already been sold?
This required him to better explain the rationale. He then went on to tell me about the development of the GT4 Race, and in order to be competitive with other double clutch cars, it was necessary that the GT4 Race be PDK. He referred to it as "Race" like 5 times.
He also said, perhaps to boost my ego having just purchased a GT4, "the engine would be the exact same engine that was in my car."
Personally, i like the term "Club Sport" better - better describes the affordable entry level GT4 car IMO.
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I personally don't understand the title of this thread : there's no PDK GT4 coming,at least not in this generation. This is a race car that is not street legal. I'm not surprised it's PDK because you want to be as fast as you can be on the track. Also,we knew this car's coming for over a year. The only thing we didn't know was its designated name. We thought it will be called GT4 cup.
So where's the novelty here?
So where's the novelty here?
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Current GS teams go through several engines a season. It will run on series race gas. Right now Rum Bum's engines come from the dealership and then they get sealed. Then the team instalks it. GT4 will be no different.
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When the whole PDK rumors came out a bunch of guys here in Toronto tried to change their allocations. The dealers said "don't do it because its not happening".
This is a race version PDK..."features a Porsche double clutch transmission with shift paddles on the steering wheel and a mechanical rear-axle locking differential" as stated in the press release. If it was PDK then why wouldn't Porsche just say PDK?
It ain't happening.
This is a race version PDK..."features a Porsche double clutch transmission with shift paddles on the steering wheel and a mechanical rear-axle locking differential" as stated in the press release. If it was PDK then why wouldn't Porsche just say PDK?
It ain't happening.
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When the whole PDK rumors came out a bunch of guys here in Toronto tried to change their allocations. The dealers said "don't do it because its not happening".
This is a race version PDK..."features a Porsche double clutch transmission with shift paddles on the steering wheel and a mechanical rear-axle locking differential" as stated in the press release. If it was PDK then why wouldn't Porsche just say PDK?
It ain't happening.
This is a race version PDK..."features a Porsche double clutch transmission with shift paddles on the steering wheel and a mechanical rear-axle locking differential" as stated in the press release. If it was PDK then why wouldn't Porsche just say PDK?
It ain't happening.
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When the whole PDK rumors came out a bunch of guys here in Toronto tried to change their allocations. The dealers said "don't do it because its not happening".
This is a race version PDK..."features a Porsche double clutch transmission with shift paddles on the steering wheel and a mechanical rear-axle locking differential" as stated in the press release. If it was PDK then why wouldn't Porsche just say PDK?
It ain't happening.
This is a race version PDK..."features a Porsche double clutch transmission with shift paddles on the steering wheel and a mechanical rear-axle locking differential" as stated in the press release. If it was PDK then why wouldn't Porsche just say PDK?
It ain't happening.
PDK = Porsche Doppelkupplung
I leave it to you to translate.
PDK have been known to have shift paddles on the column
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Why do people keep comparing this car to the road variant GT4? I am really confused. It's happening outside of this forum as well.
Anyway, I think this is called a Club Sport instead of Cup probably for a reason. No dry sump, no sequential gearbox, and only marginally lighter than the street car.
Anyway, I think this is called a Club Sport instead of Cup probably for a reason. No dry sump, no sequential gearbox, and only marginally lighter than the street car.
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When we first heard the possiblity of a GT4 competition car coming to market I suggested that it might be PDK but some folks thought it would be a sequential being a race car which made sense.
Interesting that they actually went with PDK.
Given the cost of what replacement engines are for GS, we kinda already know the lifespan and cost of replacement 3.8L (which is less then Mezger motor rebuilds.)
PDK replacements however will be interesting.
Given the cost of a sequential rebuild/replacement I think the PDK replacement would be cheaper replacement wise, however as pointed out the sequential can be serviced between rebuilds whereas the PDK cannot.
Although BGB has a lot of track time with PDK and no complaints that i have heard.
A GS 3.8L 911 seasonal running cost should be fairly close to what a GS GT4 would cost.
(I believe GS running costs with over the counter parts is less then Cup runnings cost with parts from PMNA.)
Interesting that they actually went with PDK.
Given the cost of what replacement engines are for GS, we kinda already know the lifespan and cost of replacement 3.8L (which is less then Mezger motor rebuilds.)
PDK replacements however will be interesting.
Given the cost of a sequential rebuild/replacement I think the PDK replacement would be cheaper replacement wise, however as pointed out the sequential can be serviced between rebuilds whereas the PDK cannot.
Although BGB has a lot of track time with PDK and no complaints that i have heard.
A GS 3.8L 911 seasonal running cost should be fairly close to what a GS GT4 would cost.
(I believe GS running costs with over the counter parts is less then Cup runnings cost with parts from PMNA.)