New Cayman GTS to have 370hp!?
07-30-2015, 05:42 PM
#16
07-31-2015, 12:10 AM
#17
Race Director
New Cayman GTS to have 370hp!?
Porsche marketers are going to be tieing themselves into knots trying to segment these cars. the turbo cars will have better in gear acceleration times and will probably "feel" faster to the unwashed masses.:: the GT cars with NA engines with potentially slower 0-60 times which are meaningless but somehow important in advertising world... What a mess..
07-31-2015, 12:11 AM
#18
Three Wheelin'
Torque matters a lot and I wouldn't be surprised if next GTS with PDK is faster in straight line that current gt4. But as others have said there is more than straight line speed that matters.
07-31-2015, 02:26 PM
#19
Advanced
I'm glad I ordered my 981 GTS before this mess.
If I wanted a DFI 4 cylinder boxer motor I'd go buy a BRZ/FRS and drop a turbo in it. Those of you lucky enough to find a GT4, you now own the 993 of the "naturally aspirated" generation.
If I wanted a DFI 4 cylinder boxer motor I'd go buy a BRZ/FRS and drop a turbo in it. Those of you lucky enough to find a GT4, you now own the 993 of the "naturally aspirated" generation.
07-31-2015, 11:29 PM
#20
The source is Georg Kacher - he is very reputable, with hooks into all the German big guns. I'd take what he says at face value.
That said, with the implication that there will be future GT4s, does that take the luster off our cars? It might, depending on whether they add more GT3-ness to it.
On the other hand, if my GT4 fell through, I certainly wouldn't be pissed with a 370hp turbo Cayman GTS. One ECU reflash and an exhaust away from 420hp. Just saying. Don't knock turbo cars...
That said, with the implication that there will be future GT4s, does that take the luster off our cars? It might, depending on whether they add more GT3-ness to it.
On the other hand, if my GT4 fell through, I certainly wouldn't be pissed with a 370hp turbo Cayman GTS. One ECU reflash and an exhaust away from 420hp. Just saying. Don't knock turbo cars...
08-01-2015, 01:40 AM
#22
The source is Georg Kacher - he is very reputable, with hooks into all the German big guns. I'd take what he says at face value.
That said, with the implication that there will be future GT4s, does that take the luster off our cars? It might, depending on whether they add more GT3-ness to it.
On the other hand, if my GT4 fell through, I certainly wouldn't be pissed with a 370hp turbo Cayman GTS. One ECU reflash and an exhaust away from 420hp. Just saying. Don't knock turbo cars...
That said, with the implication that there will be future GT4s, does that take the luster off our cars? It might, depending on whether they add more GT3-ness to it.
On the other hand, if my GT4 fell through, I certainly wouldn't be pissed with a 370hp turbo Cayman GTS. One ECU reflash and an exhaust away from 420hp. Just saying. Don't knock turbo cars...
08-01-2015, 01:46 AM
#23
The source is Georg Kacher - he is very reputable, with hooks into all the German big guns. I'd take what he says at face value.
That said, with the implication that there will be future GT4s, does that take the luster off our cars? It might, depending on whether they add more GT3-ness to it.
On the other hand, if my GT4 fell through, I certainly wouldn't be pissed with a 370hp turbo Cayman GTS. One ECU reflash and an exhaust away from 420hp. Just saying. Don't knock turbo cars...
That said, with the implication that there will be future GT4s, does that take the luster off our cars? It might, depending on whether they add more GT3-ness to it.
On the other hand, if my GT4 fell through, I certainly wouldn't be pissed with a 370hp turbo Cayman GTS. One ECU reflash and an exhaust away from 420hp. Just saying. Don't knock turbo cars...
As for turbo cars, imo they are horrible. Exhaust note is wrong, turbo whistle sounds crap, and the lack of throttle response and linearity of torque all feels wrong to me. I bought one of the last na amgs, and it looks like I'm buying one of the last na Porsches. I may own these cars for some time...
08-01-2015, 02:20 AM
#24
So you think it's credible that with the next gen, the cayman s will lose hp and the cayman gts will gain hp? It makes no sense. As I said earlier, either one or both of those hp values is wrong.
As for turbo cars, imo they are horrible. Exhaust note is wrong, turbo whistle sounds crap, and the lack of throttle response and linearity of torque all feels wrong to me. I bought one of the last na amgs, and it looks like I'm buying one of the last na Porsches. I may own these cars for some time...
As for turbo cars, imo they are horrible. Exhaust note is wrong, turbo whistle sounds crap, and the lack of throttle response and linearity of torque all feels wrong to me. I bought one of the last na amgs, and it looks like I'm buying one of the last na Porsches. I may own these cars for some time...
Couldn't agree more.
I despise turbo lag.
08-01-2015, 10:54 AM
#25
Drifting
I have never driven a 991 turbo S. Wondering if you can detect lag in that car.
My thinking is after you passed a certain level of hp/tq, unless you go WOT, the lag will be less detectable in most driving situations.
Having said that, the lag in the new proposed cayman probably will be detectable.
Lag aside, there is the other issue of the way power is delivered throughout the rev range, and sound.
My thinking is after you passed a certain level of hp/tq, unless you go WOT, the lag will be less detectable in most driving situations.
Having said that, the lag in the new proposed cayman probably will be detectable.
Lag aside, there is the other issue of the way power is delivered throughout the rev range, and sound.
08-01-2015, 12:46 PM
#26
Burning Brakes
I have never driven a 991 turbo S. Wondering if you can detect lag in that car.
My thinking is after you passed a certain level of hp/tq, unless you go WOT, the lag will be less detectable in most driving situations.
Having said that, the lag in the new proposed cayman probably will be detectable.
Lag aside, there is the other issue of the way power is delivered throughout the rev range, and sound.
My thinking is after you passed a certain level of hp/tq, unless you go WOT, the lag will be less detectable in most driving situations.
Having said that, the lag in the new proposed cayman probably will be detectable.
Lag aside, there is the other issue of the way power is delivered throughout the rev range, and sound.
But when I look at purchasing a more expensive car, and something I want to keep for the long haul I just want something more... idk... elegant? simple? Maybe it is just because this is the last of an era of NA cars. An S2000 passed by me the other day and I thought, "yeah that is what a car should sound like"
08-01-2015, 01:02 PM
#28
I have never driven a 991 turbo S. Wondering if you can detect lag in that car.
My thinking is after you passed a certain level of hp/tq, unless you go WOT, the lag will be less detectable in most driving situations.
Having said that, the lag in the new proposed cayman probably will be detectable.
Lag aside, there is the other issue of the way power is delivered throughout the rev range, and sound.
My thinking is after you passed a certain level of hp/tq, unless you go WOT, the lag will be less detectable in most driving situations.
Having said that, the lag in the new proposed cayman probably will be detectable.
Lag aside, there is the other issue of the way power is delivered throughout the rev range, and sound.
That said, a 4cyl turbo entry level engine will never come close to the turbo S experience and i, like others, am greatful to have gotten in on possiblely the last of the NA flat 6 action.
08-01-2015, 01:10 PM
#29
Nordschleife Master
I'm gonna go against the grain here and say that once Cobb makes an Accessport for this new family of engines its gonna be game on.
I really chuckle about all the drama and purist talk behind it. The 912 was never impure. It had the 4 banger from its daddy, the 356. But 6 banger snobs always talked down about their lower powered brother. Now 912 values are sky rocketing.
When the Boxster came along it was impure because it had a water cooler heart. Never mind the water cooler 962 and 959 variants that came before it. Now the GT4 is being compared to the 993 like there was never an air cooled versus water cooled debate.
Porsche has their hands tied with the coming cafes standards. They will not make the Cayman on par with the Carrara. So it gets the smaller heart. But like the old 914 and 912, which outhandled the 911 because of less weight and better balance, these new 4 cylinder midengine cars will be awesome. Now if they would just fix the rear suspension.
Ps. I have a 912,914,air cooled 911,water cooled Cup and a Subaru in my garage. Boxer,boxer,boxer. Boxers forever.
I really chuckle about all the drama and purist talk behind it. The 912 was never impure. It had the 4 banger from its daddy, the 356. But 6 banger snobs always talked down about their lower powered brother. Now 912 values are sky rocketing.
When the Boxster came along it was impure because it had a water cooler heart. Never mind the water cooler 962 and 959 variants that came before it. Now the GT4 is being compared to the 993 like there was never an air cooled versus water cooled debate.
Porsche has their hands tied with the coming cafes standards. They will not make the Cayman on par with the Carrara. So it gets the smaller heart. But like the old 914 and 912, which outhandled the 911 because of less weight and better balance, these new 4 cylinder midengine cars will be awesome. Now if they would just fix the rear suspension.
Ps. I have a 912,914,air cooled 911,water cooled Cup and a Subaru in my garage. Boxer,boxer,boxer. Boxers forever.
08-01-2015, 02:21 PM
#30
Porsche has said the GT models will continue to be NA. So I'm guessing future gt models will be a lot lighter than today. 981.2 GT4 might be one to watch...... It'll probably have a manual option too, at least. And they're likely to fix the gearing issue, being Porsche. That said, the current gt4 is obviously awesome and a future classic.