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Old Mar 18, 2015 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by matttheboatman
Hey John, if I EVER get my allocation, I and any other GT4 customers would be well served if you and your crew were available for "dialing in stock GT4s", I don't think there is anyone out there short of pro race teams that have as much experience with the 3.8 in a Cayman platform than you guys. And, pro teams are not known for sharing their secrets. Do you plan to offer a GT4 prep service?
Hmm.. BGB has been a pro-team for a while. Not sure where you get an idea that they are not. Maybe you meant factory backed team?
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Old Mar 18, 2015 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 2slow2speed
Hmm.. BGB has been a pro-team for a while. Not sure where you get an idea that they are not. Maybe you meant factory backed team?
Absolutely. But, he is now in the business of making other people's cars perform better. What I was really trying to say is he is a guy who knows his stuff and is accessible.
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Old Mar 18, 2015 | 10:33 PM
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I understood it. I took the comment to say that it is unique for a pro team to trickle down so completely in the way that BGB has with their offerings.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 03:28 AM
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As I posted that I knew it would bring you along.
LMAO, i live very close to rosewood hotel off sandhill road, very high end hooker spot where the venture capitalists seek fun. call me when you here.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 07:31 AM
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Boy oh boy oh boy oh boy!!
What thread did I stuble on...

Originally Posted by ChrisF
I know; sacrelege. To BGB or any other shop: how difficult would it be and what would it cost? If Porsche won't build a GT4 RS for now, we can always try
WTF?! Why you posting this, except for bating all the ring leaders into an epic thread about rosewood hotel hookers and the new Cayman stepchild factory?

Originally Posted by GTgears
Just call BGB. They just finished converting their Rolex GX winning 38 into a PDK for club racing.

Though putting a heavier box into a car wouldn't really be what I consider the RS treatement.
This. But many love faster PDK..

Originally Posted by Petevb
We need to talk Guard, above, into making a shorter ring and pinion to pull this off.

I'll sign up...


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I was down at Homestead supporting a customer putting now upwards of 30 hours on the PDK Cayman R we built with 3.8L X51 power and the single greatest Rennlist thread EVER is going on without me! I have spoken to Pete about projects like the one listed above. The single biggest roadblock at first is the ECU, then it's the transmission. Guard however is taking care of the transmission front with their upcoming sequential in development. If you don't want a sequential, the project would work IN THEORY if someone found a 991 GT3 and could produce the entire chassis harness and the motor. The $6mm question is exactly what bell housing pattern is on the new 991 GT3 engine and would it allow us to bolt the 6-spd 981 transmission to it. Matt could produce shorter gears. It would indeed be a bit of a Frankenstein but you could bet that I would spend every hour known to man ON MY NICKEL above and beyond what we charge for a similar swap that has been executed. I would eat the homework costs with the prize being to perfect something like this! The customer would be responsible obviously for development hardware but you can be sure I would be burning the midnight oil at the unofficial Cayman red headed stepchild factory.
The thought that one could spec GT4's with GT3 (RS) engines and / or GT3 (RS) with the choice of light weight regeared manuals or PDK's with LWFW, integrated roll cages and CUP PFC brake systems just gave me heart palpitations. Would I ever be able to call the choice or would I die from the inability to function while frozen in state of indecision?

In driveling paralysis I'd lose my job. My wife would leave me.
Or get both to be able to function. Getting both would be the sensible thing to do

Originally Posted by GTgears
Just so that you know that Red shytes where he eats, he and I went round and round on the PDK LSD. I told him to put his money where his mouth is. He wrote me a check and paid me to develop the PDK LSD. I took the same position I take above, which is translated as," I make motorsports parts for racecars and need to focus on my core market." John told me that the day of the PDK racecar what coming and that he believed in it enough to write that check. 2 years later the PDK guys have LSDs, whether or not they drive racecars or DE Cup winners.

So, when he makes a post like the one above, I take him at face value. He will build a GT3 powered PDK-S Cayman if someone wants to be a test mule.
This is what makes this thread epic. It can be done and the obsessive will and ability is there and has been proven

Originally Posted by BGB Motorsports
And here I am at 7:30pm still at my desk not having taken a day off since who can remember... because I can't stop thinking about lightweight PDK flywheels and why we broke the last one during a 2 mile road test. I just want to have things to offer people so they will seek us out so I don't have to hustle on the internet like a you know what on the corner.
I think you just about to reach stage 3..

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Who doesn't like hookers? We just don't want to be one.
LOL

Originally Posted by matttheboatman
Hey John, if I EVER get my allocation, I and any other GT4 customers would be well served if you and your crew were available for "dialing in stock GT4s", I don't think there is anyone out there short of pro race teams that have as much experience with the 3.8 in a Cayman platform than you guys. And, pro teams are not known for sharing their secrets. Do you plan to offer a GT4 prep service?
By prep you mean regear, LWFW and cage?

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LMAO, i live very close to rosewood hotel off sandhill road, very high end hooker spot where the venture capitalists seek fun. call me when you here.
Soo subscribed.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by matttheboatman
Hey John, if I EVER get my allocation, I and any other GT4 customers would be well served if you and your crew were available for "dialing in stock GT4s", I don't think there is anyone out there short of pro race teams that have as much experience with the 3.8 in a Cayman platform than you guys. And, pro teams are not known for sharing their secrets. Do you plan to offer a GT4 prep service?
To answer your question, OF COURSE! I am accessible because I realized that the world of Pro racing requires you to find new customers every November that have a finite shelf life which is no way for a business to grow, especially when there's another team out there wooing your customers! We made the switch for the very reason of being able to capitalize on the brand and sell our secrets to the public in the form of support, R&D or parts. Why do you guys think I sit here all day long trying to find things that make Cayman owners call us?!??! I want this business! How do we start your idea in motion? Do we organize trips to Sebring and Daytona in October/November/December when you can't drive your GT4 that you waited all summer long for with anticipation? Do we provide an outlet for all your folks whose cars will be buried or deterred from running in cold temps when you can come and do Daytona, Sebring, PBIR, Homestead or Roebling during the winter? Let's have the unofficial 3.8L Cayman clinic right in front of TrackCar at some of our tracks in the southeast!

Matt at Guard has had to be my on-call therapist (pronounced like Sean Connery does) and he has reiterated that the GT4 will increase BGB's business because no single group has spent more time and development trying to take these parts to the next level! He reiterates that food folks like you will want to send us cars or seek us out for setup, engineering knowledge and this is the only thing that has kept me from taking a long walk off a short pier!

I'm all for it! Thumbs up...whatever...when do we start planning? We could even rent PBIR for $5000 for the day across however many members and we could do a full arrive n drive thing and then move onto the next few venues during the winter. Who is bagging what I am raking? Who is picking up what I am putting down?!?
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Sounds like Mooty has a line on the hookers for that party...
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 11:44 AM
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He doesn't travel well, we will have to go West..
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 11:54 AM
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Laguna Seca it is then. I haven't been on track there since I moved out of Berkeley 15 years ago.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 11:56 AM
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Last June, I'd go back but for proper testing we need a more challenging track, Road America, Sebring, Thunderhill maybe..
No hookers, but at least there are bars.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GTgears
Laguna Seca it is then. I haven't been on track there since I moved out of Berkeley 15 years ago.
You'll be surprised…they really neutered parts of it for the motorcycle racers…those guys with the supposed 'giant gonads'.
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It's starting...and I would venture to say that based on the fact that the 991 GT3 was the most popular DE car at Sebring during the 48 hour, I expect that we will only see more, not less of these!

https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/Vehicl...89&RowNumber=1

The problem is that someone will push the price of this auction up and over $110K probably. At the right number, this could make the dream come true!
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Old Mar 23, 2015 | 12:50 PM
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^^ Whatever happened to the 785 engines they replaced?

We need a properly totaled one for the engine.
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Old Mar 23, 2015 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
^^ Whatever happened to the 785 engines they replaced?

We need a properly totaled one for the engine.
Agreed. We need something where the front bumper and dash tried to come together to have a meeting of the minds. Something like this can be fixed too easily and will therefore drive the price up.
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Old Mar 24, 2015 | 01:30 AM
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OMG. What have I started? There is so much awesome here I don't know where to begin.

- a simple PDK Cayman GT4 swap; it can be done; BGB seems game for any cool project
- a 9A1 GT3 drivetrain swap. Ok, that could be the most awesome car ever.
- a co-sponsored SP Motorsports/ BGB / Guard GT4 Test & Tune, data gathering clinic day with catered food, french pastries and "trophy" girls.

I think I may have just died and gone to heaven. mooty, John T., Trak Car - we must make the third one happen!
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