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Old 03-11-2015 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dimmu
I constantly have to invert my thinking to US roads on a lot of these threads. What is "completely insane" on public roads is called a Sunday cruise here in Germany...
Maybe on the autobahn. Mountain roads are a very different matter. I know one cat from Tennessee who ran his 997 on slicks. On the street. And he used them.

After many years of driving and road testing in Germany, I'd have to say the US has more miles of more interesting back roads than Germany and Austria put together and multiplied. Wider lanes with more shoulder, as well, which yields more options and less risk from tour buses and trucks.

Of course, I hear there are a few roads in Germany that I haven't been to that are absolutely amazing...
Old 03-11-2015 | 04:46 PM
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Just take the n.Georgia,/western n.carolina/e.tennessee triangle close to the dragon.... There are the most incredible driving roads there that you can imagine... Smooth asphalt, cambered turns, very little traffic, twisties for days with decreasing radius turns.. Better than anything I've been on including alps and NorCal.
Old 03-11-2015 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
Do you have the income proportional speeding tickets in Sweden like they do in finland?

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-mil...-ticket-2015-3

OMG! Please don't give the takers any more ideas.
Old 03-11-2015 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CAlexio
Just take the n.Georgia,/western n.carolina/e.tennessee triangle close to the dragon.... There are the most incredible driving roads there that you can imagine... Smooth asphalt, cambered turns, very little traffic, twisties for days with decreasing radius turns.. Better than anything I've been on including alps and NorCal.
My cousin and her family live in Russell, Kentucky, and I've been threatening them with a road trip because, you know, I haven't seen them in a while.

Not because they're surrounded by amazing roads.
Old 03-11-2015 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by stout
Maybe on the autobahn. Mountain roads are a very different matter. I know one cat from Tennessee who ran his 997 on slicks. On the street. And he used them.

After many years of driving and road testing in Germany, I'd have to say the US has more miles of more interesting back roads than Germany and Austria put together and multiplied. Wider lanes with more shoulder, as well, which yields more options and less risk from tour buses and trucks.

Of course, I hear there are a few roads in Germany that I haven't been to that are absolutely amazing...
It could be that I'm from MA, but have lived in Germany for 10 years, but the roads here are insanely good. The autobahn is fun to just go all out for top end every once in a while, but gets boring fast. The back roads here are absolutely amazing. I live in Stuttgart and am a bit over an hour from the black forest... The most middle of nowhere road there is as glass smooth as a race track. Granted, cars are more a track thing for me and the weekend blasts are usually on my BMW S1000RR, but I've never seen as good riding in my life as here. I ride with other Americans on supersports as well and I have never heard one person, whether they were from CA or the south or ANYWHERE in the US say the riding/roads where better back home.... never in 10 years. I do admit that I could do with more travel in the US, especially near the mountains that have to be awesome though. The other thing is the penalty for speeding here is much lower than most places and speed traps are super rare. As long as you aren't being a total jackass and ripping through villages most of the country is easy to unwind in... When we go out for a spirited jaunt, it doesn't even matter what direction we go in, it's going to be a blast.
Old 03-12-2015 | 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dimmu
As long as you aren't being a total jackass and ripping through villages most of the country is easy to unwind in... When we go out for a spirited jaunt, it doesn't even matter what direction we go in, it's going to be a blast.
maybe when some of us are doing European delivery you can give us some ideas for your favorite roads? I always wondered if away from the autobahn the police in germany was tough on tickets... guess that answers my question.
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You'll have to worry about speed cameras more in Europe I surmise
Old 03-12-2015 | 08:28 AM
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You'll have to worry about speed cameras more in Europe I surmise
Yeah, there are cameras instead of speed traps, but they are not found out in country back roads. You will see them going into, in, and leaving villages and restricted area autobahn. There are large areas of country back road in southern Germany and you can take them all the way to the point you are running into the alps and that's just another ball of fun.

For people doing European Delivery, Just go get lost. Look at maps and find where the road gets really twisty and go there! haha. I would say hit Hockenheim and Nordschleife, but maybe not when breaking in. (Not sure what the Porsche break-in procedure is... need to look that up.) You may be able to just do Nordschleife anyway and just not go ***** out. If so, I'd recommend doing a scenery ride from Wiesbaden up to Koblenz following the Rhine and go up to the overlook where the Mosel breaks off, which is on the way to Nürburgring. Heidelberg is always a nice visit as well. So many options...
Old 03-12-2015 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dimmu
As long as you aren't being a total jackass and ripping through villages most of the country is easy to unwind in... When we go out for a spirited jaunt, it doesn't even matter what direction we go in, it's going to be a blast.
i second this
Old 03-12-2015 | 01:08 PM
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As an American ex-pat who spends about 1/2 the year on each continent I can attest there is no comparison between North American roads and more importantly its drivers versus central Europe. I've driven the Carolina/Tennessee/Kentucky corridors to include the Dragon on both car and on motorcycle and they are beautiful but far less maintained. More importantly, unless you're looking to spend time in Sherriff Beauford T. Justice's jail cell its not worth the time and/or effort to do there illegally what you can do in Germany legally (excluding the Dragon of course I think the carnage there is encouraged in order to add some ambiance to the place). Never mind the Autobahn for a moment, the legal speed limit on tight twisty back roads through much of Germany are typically 50-70mph. More importantly, the quality of the drivers over there on average are much higher than in the US. Training, testing and schooling is mandatory and costs on average 2.500 Euro per driver in Germany and nobody "slides by"--driving is a privilege not a right. If an officer sees you holding your phone while driving much less texting while driving you're getting pulled over. If you're visiting and get pulled over for breaking a traffic law be prepared to pay the fine on the spot. If you don't have that much on you, no worries they're happy to follow you to the nearest ATM. There is no debate or court appearance with a traffic attorney to represent you on traffic violations. All vehicles must pass a rigorous TUV inspection every two years that looks at everything on the car including tread depth. Driver to driver monitoring for rules of the road enforcement is extremely vigilant. When you add it all up what it leads to is a more dynamic, higher quality and safer driving experience. As an American I wish this weren't the case but it, sorry. The only thing that sucks is the price of gas but the US has almost the entire ROW beat in that category.
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Originally Posted by 997rs4.0
Sometimes we forget that these cars are designed for worldwide use! So talking about how this car is on the street is completely different for all of us! I can imagine this car in the beautiful hills outside Kassel, Germany! Or the winding roads of the smokey mountains, NC! Do I see myself driving it around SF or Manhattan! Not so much. Obviously it will deliver on track but also on "some" roads!
I spend most of the year in Orlando, Fl. The need for a sport car here is 0! In southern Sweden I don't need a race track! Just open the garage and drive!
+1.........you can make that the entire State of Florida IMO.
Old 03-12-2015 | 02:00 PM
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OMG! Please don't give the takers any more ideas.
I approve of this use of the term "takers"
Old 03-12-2015 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cbweaver1
driving is a privilege not a right. If an officer sees you holding your phone while driving much less texting while driving you're getting pulled over. If you're visiting and get pulled over for breaking a traffic law be prepared to pay the fine on the spot. If you don't have that much on you, no worries they're happy to follow you to the nearest ATM. There is no debate or court appearance with a traffic attorney to represent you on traffic violations. All vehicles must pass a rigorous TUV inspection every two years that looks at everything on the car including tread depth. Driver to driver monitoring for rules of the road enforcement is extremely vigilant. When you add it all up what it leads to is a more dynamic, higher quality and safer driving experience. As an American I wish this weren't the case but it, sorry. The only thing that sucks is the price of gas but the US has almost the entire ROW beat in that category.

It's almost as if they make reasonable laws, and then actually enforce them. What a concept.




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