The Porsche 718 S - Faster than my old GT4?
11-21-2018, 02:33 PM
#166
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11-24-2018, 12:07 AM
#168
They’re both kinda musical. The 981 kinda like a symphony with a wonderful crescendo. The 718 kind of like Elvis on the toilet in his final days.
11-24-2018, 04:28 AM
#169
11-24-2018, 04:15 PM
#170
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11-24-2018, 09:01 PM
#171
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except the GTS doesn’t come with cup 2s from the factory... if you want to start talking modifying cars, a GT4 with Hoosiers would be faster then a 718 GTS with Cup 2s... and on and on.
11-24-2018, 09:05 PM
#172
Thats not the point - anyone who is involved in any track events will tell you the same thing - the 981 GT4 just isn't that quick. The 718 in S and GTS form simply requires a tire change and that's it - eg on the same tires they are the same to quicker. In fact the 718 is more neutral through corners than the 981GT4
11-24-2018, 09:07 PM
#173
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except the 981 GT4 is quicker then a 718 GTS. It’s a fact backed up by numbers, not bench racing by folks on forums.
11-24-2018, 09:09 PM
#174
Tight technical and hilly hurt the 981GT4 - real world
A badge does not make a car quick - torque, tires and a good driver do.
11-24-2018, 09:13 PM
#175
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11-24-2018, 09:18 PM
#176
As good as the GT4 is, it is in effect underdone in terms of torque and performance gearing. Not a lot of point to a manual if you want to be competitive.
11-24-2018, 09:28 PM
#177
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With all due respect... who the f cares about your experience? Unless you’re Kevin Estre, your experience means zero, zilch. The driver is the biggest variance in car performance, and the difference between pros and novices is, that they (pro drivers) produce repeatable patterns. Same driver, same car, same track (unfortunately not the same day) prove the 981 GT4 is faster. Go back to Grand Turisimo and practice or post more about your water pump on your 991 going out. 
11-24-2018, 09:37 PM
#178
With all due respect... who the f cares about your experience? Unless you’re Kevin Estre, your experience means zero, zilch. The driver is the biggest variance in car performance, and the difference between pros and novices is, that they (pro drivers) produce repeatable patterns. Same driver, same car, same track (unfortunately not the same day) prove the 981 GT4 is faster. Go back to Grand Turisimo and practice or post more about your water pump on your 991 going out.
Take your GT4 to a track - you'll find out pretty quickly where the 981GT4 lands - a function that is simply a reflection of its age and a couple of design flaws.
The fact you can't accept a simple rationale observation based on a lot of experience e.g. on the same tires the the 718S/GTS is quicker speaks volumes.
Do yourself a favour join a track club and do it for real - then your comments will have some weight other than that stick to magazines.
11-24-2018, 09:41 PM
#179
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11-25-2018, 02:54 AM
#180
Thats not my logic - its an observation based on a combination of regular state track and road rallying and some national level road rallying. I'm sure you do know a guy that can chase down GT3s and GT3Rs on track running 4Ss - all that tells me is the level of driver skill (in the GT3s) is low as is the level of competition. Basically if its not timed officially, its not real.
Porsche got a lot right with the 718S/GTS from a performance perspective and it delivers as I have observed, the broad torque curve with PDK, improved suspension and brakes works well with the 718 Cayman chassis. This shouldn't be a surprise. In fact I'm surprised it is.
From a road rallying perspective I wouldn't use a 981 GT4 specifically because it lacks PDK - in fact I know people that prefer the GTS over the GT4 for this reason and others (both at state and national level). In fact I would go as far to say that Porsche deliberately hampered the 981 GT4 performance by only providing it on general sale with a manual gear box. Relative to a GT4 the GTS will gain a one second advantage at every stage start due to PDK. Thats before the hills come into play. Thus overall in the real world on real roads the GTS is the quicker car and on track its just down to the difference in OEM tires.
Last edited by groundhog; 11-25-2018 at 03:12 AM.