Jack Ennuste

Pick two cars. One is older GT3 with 360Hp another is 400HP Modena. Porsche has less torque. Weight about the same. Both cars are historically strong in competition.
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Modena has (near-) perfect layout: mid engine, sophisticated and tuned suspension.
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Everything looks great. Still GT3 beats Modena in Hockenheim and on The Ring (Nordschleife). Why?

Konstantin

Motor charachteristic is what counts and not the absoulte values (high HP and Torque)
better Brakes, Stiffer body and the whole car is in overall better than the F360.

One car is made for the track the other for Boulevard crusing. You need at least a F360 GT to compate with a GT3

This is the same reason why a Nissan skyline GTR with 550 HP is slower than a GT3RS with only 420 HP on the 24 hours at Nurburgring

Konstantin

RWHP

I would say it has alot more to do with the driver and team associated with the car.

wch

&lt;&lt;One car is made for the track the other for Boulevard crusing.&gt;&gt;

You're joking, right?

///bmwm3n528

hahaha when did a 360 modena become a boulevard cruiser!?!?!?!?!

maybe your confusing a it with a 456 or something

Danno

"Motor charachteristic is what counts and not the absoulte values (high HP and Torque)
better Brakes, Stiffer body and the whole car is in overall better than the F360."

"&lt;&lt;One car is made for the track the other for Boulevard crusing.&gt;&gt;

You're joking, right? "

Nope, the Porsche GT3 is pretty much purpose-built race car. The 360 is a production car with all of its necessary crash/safety equipment and emissions-legal engine. Also compare the torque-curves of these cars and you'll see that the Porsche wins hands down. Much more torque across a wider RPM-range (not just a tiny sharp peak) will accelerate the same-weight car much faster. This is really important coming out of each of the 176 or so corners on the 'ring.

Luis de Prat

Just got through reading a great article in the last issue of Christophorus on the GT3 in which they go into great detail about the major "weight loss" program Porsche implemented to develop the GT3 as well as the hours of wind tunnel testing to maximize airflow to the engine via the rear wing. Final weight is only 1,380 kg. That's what the Carrera GT weighs! Check it out (Christophorus April/May 2003 issue).

wch

Hello, hope I didn't seem to be dissing the GT3, which I think is a terrific, beautiful car. What I meant to question was the dismissal of an aluminum, 40 valve, 400hp car as a "boulevard cruiser." Lots of folks would take issue with that, but apparently they're all over at ferrarichat.com, not here!

Personally I think it's very hard to bridge the track/street gap, no matter how hard one tries. A "pretty much purpose built car" is still a street car, with necessary compromises. Still, I like to get a whiff of the track while going to the grocery store as much as anyone, so I appreciate the effort, and have a Challenge Stradale on order. Might even track it now and then, will look for GT3 owners to play with.

Cheers!

Ted Brewer

Is the Stradale being sold in the US? When do deliveries start? Sticker price? Does anyone know the definitive weight for this car? I have seen conflicting numbers, some even lower than the track only Challenge cars which does not make sense. Thanks.

Ted

wch

Ted, my dealer has told me that the Stradale definitely is coming to the US, and some Ferrari folks have reported placing orders, with delivery in early '04. Check out:

<a href="http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/236642.html?1051722579" target="_blank">http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/236642.html?1051722579</a>

I have not seen definitive US stats, not to mention little things like the cost ... hasn't stopped me from getting on a list.

wch

One more thing. The materials distributed by Ferrari at the Geneva show give the following stats:

3586 cc V8, 5 valves/cyl & titanium rods
425 hp @ 8500 rpm
top speed - 186mph
0-62mph - 4.1 sec
kerb weight 1280 kg
19" wheels

Jack Ennuste

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by wch:
<strong>One more thing. The materials distributed by Ferrari at the Geneva show give the following stats:

3586 cc V8, 5 valves/cyl & titanium rods
425 hp @ 8500 rpm
top speed - 186mph
0-62mph - 4.1 sec
kerb weight 1280 kg
19" wheels</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Website says clearly for 360 Modena and 360 Challenge:
No. of cylinders 90° V8
Bore & stroke 85x79 mm 3.34x3.11in.
Unit displacement 448.2 cc 27.36 cu. in.
Displacement 3,586 cc 218.84 cu. in.
Maximum power 294 kW (400 bhp) @ 8,500 rpm
Maximum torque 373 Nm (275.6 lbs/ft) @ 4,750 rpm

Jack Ennuste

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"> Danno told:
Nope, the Porsche GT3 is pretty much purpose-built race car. The 360 is a production car with all of its necessary crash/safety equipment and emissions-legal engine. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">GT3 complies all European regulations. Plus Ferrari has 360 Challange that has exactly the same engine characteristics.

wch

Hello Jack, a supercharged 993 must be pretty incredible. Photo?

Anyway, the specs I provided relate to the forthcoming 360 Challenge Stradale, which apparently will develop a little more horsepower than the 360 Modena and Challenge cars. As you probably know, the Stradale also will have significant performance enhancements as compared to the current 360. My info on the Stradale comes from the press info distributed by Ferrari in Geneva.

The Challenge cars certainly feel like they have more horsepower than the street cars, but no doubt they achieve their superior performance due to weight reduction and the other goodies that go along with a pure track car.

Regards,

Will
'93 964 Cab
'99 360 Modena F1
'00 360 Challenge

Jack Ennuste

Yeah, just read an article in Car Magazine (UK). Stradale with 425 hp is kind-a GT2 wannabe. Positive is that warrany covers tracking the car! Is it same w GT3/GT2???

Will: look my cars homepage in signature