Kurt

is that all the numbers that were actually used for cars? i had thought there were a ton more...

Jim Michaels

Well, you guys did better than my whole region, from whom I got no, zero, zip, nil response whatsoever. I know some people must have read the newsletter because I got two contacts about the M4 Sherman tank I advertised.

I meant for 915 and 932 to be the bogus street car numbers. If the 932 was a 924 Turbo right-hand drive (must be extremely rare), none of my books mentioned that. It will be mentioned in the June newsletter, however. The bogus race car numbers were 905 and 958, as several mentioned. So collectively, you did well. Hope you had fun.

Numbers? The first Porsche number was Typ 7 (to create the impression that he was experienced). It was the Wanderer car chassis. Typ 22, the Auto Union Grand Prix car. Typ 52, a mid-engined V-10 sports car. Typ 60, the People's car. Typ 80, Daimler-Benz land speed record car. Type 82 the Kubelwagen. Typ 101, Tiger tank prototype. Typ 110-113, farm tractors. Typ 180,181, Tiger II tank prototypes. Typ 205, Superheavy tank Maus (Mouse). Typ 360, Cistalia race car for France, as a condition to get the Professor out of French prison after WWII. Typ 356 from the Gmund factory soon followed when F. porsche was over 70.

My source: Donald A. Hollway, Porsche Panzers: The Dark Chapter in Porsche's History, 1996.

Adrian

Dear Jim,
There was no such thing as a 932 or a 952. You will never find these numbers in a VIN. The 924 Turbo is the 931 and the RHD version was the 931. The 944 Turbo is the 951 and the RHD version is the 951. The type numbers are the 7th, 8th and 12th digits in a 17 digit VIN for Porsche.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4

Adrian

Jim Michaels

Thanks, Adrian. I didn't try to make the lists all inclusive because none of my books even cover all the Porsches. Because of that, I was worried that one of my bogus numbers might turn out to be a real car, however.

Devia

You know, it would be so much fun to own a real Porsche Panzer, just to have as part of my collection; was a dark time, but I am dying to know what the specs were on it, and what the difference was between that and our Sherman Tanks!

- Julie

Jim Michaels

Julie:

Don's Porsche Panzers site is at:
<a href="http://www.donhollway.com/writing/porschepanzers/porschepanzers.html." target="_blank">www.donhollway.com/writing/porschepanzers/porschepanzers.html.</a>

Basically, the Tigers were big, heavy (thick armor), slow, very complex, and unreliable (can you believe that?), with a big gun that would blow the hell out of a Sherman (which the Germans called "rolling coffins"). They estimated that the Americans "sacrificed" 4 Shermans for each Tiger kill. The Shermans were fast and reliable, but had relatively thin armor and sported a smaller gun (size matters). It was reported that more Tigers were lost to break downs than the Americans destroyed. I know; that's not exactly how it's depicted in the movie "Battle of the Bulge."

Tom

It was indeed a dark time, and we were successful because we could afford to spend 4 Shermans to get 1 Tiger. Fortunately there weren't that many Tigers and in reality they were too heavy to be practical. In "The Battle of the Bulge" (movie) it was fuel starvation that got them. Having your personal Tiger (or Sherman for that matter) would certainly solve any "road rage" problems!

Jim Michaels

I had the following ad in the May issue of my region's newsletter. 1944 M4 Sherman tank: Olive drab, low milage, no combat, dealer serviced. $300k OBO. For the June issue I'm advertising a P-51D Mustang ("My Girl") with R-R Merlin engine that saw combat in the Pacific. $54k new; now $1 million firm. Sorry, guns are plugged.

DonW-Cape Cod

What color is the Mustang? I may be interested! <img border="0" alt="[icon107]" title="" src="graemlins/icon107.gif" />

Rich Sandor

Adrian, you're not quite right, sorry.

You won't find 932 or 952 stamped on any part number. They are design types that are internal for porsche. They never made it to any part numbers, as far as I know. But that is what was on the drawings. Ask Harm Lagaay and Tony Lapine. Now, 945 on the other hand, appears on all Right hand drive specific parts for the 86.5 and later models.

This is a more complete list I took from dr. scott's website:

477 Audi factory desgn. for 924
478 Audi factory desgn. for Right Hand Drive 924
924 924
927 Right Hand Drive 928
928 928
931 924 Turbo
932 Right Hand Drive 924 Turbo
933 924 SCCA Racer
937 924 Carrera GT
938 Right Hand Drive 924 Carrera GT
939 924 Carrera GT Le Mans
941 944 Cabriolet
942 Right Hand Drive 944 Cabriolet
944 944
945 Right Hand Drive 944
951 944 Turbo
952 Right Hand Drive 944 Turbo
968 968

I know my 900's! <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

Jim, can I get a check ride in the Mustang? I've already got AT-6 Texan time... I know I know, the texan is a pig..