Porsche EV sales crap out
07-23-2024, 08:07 PM
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Porsche EV sales crap out
Porsche yesterday announced that it’s scrapping its EV targets due to poor demand. It said…
“Our product strategy is set up such that we could deliver over 80% of our vehicles as all electric in 2030 - dependent on customer demand and the development of electromobility."
That last part is clearly Porsche covering its ****. Makes me think a full ICE 911 (along with hybrid) may be around longer than we thought
“Our product strategy is set up such that we could deliver over 80% of our vehicles as all electric in 2030 - dependent on customer demand and the development of electromobility."
That last part is clearly Porsche covering its ****. Makes me think a full ICE 911 (along with hybrid) may be around longer than we thought
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07-23-2024, 08:32 PM
Let's burn the planet faster by producing EVs that require substantially higher upfront carbon emissions, compared to ICE cars. CO2 emissions breakeven relative to ICE cars not achieved until each EV reaches about 90K miles from brand new.
Better yet, let's pollute the groundwater and the soil everywhere around the world by mining lithium and rare earth metals that are not required in ICE cars but critically necessary in EVs. That's what environmental "free lunch" is about.
To add insult to the injury, let's waste and trash our environment by sending EV's to crushers on simple fender-benders - as in Tesla EVs - and let's pump out newer EV's to replace those fender-bendered EVs.
This is the way to save the planet. /s
Better yet, let's pollute the groundwater and the soil everywhere around the world by mining lithium and rare earth metals that are not required in ICE cars but critically necessary in EVs. That's what environmental "free lunch" is about.
To add insult to the injury, let's waste and trash our environment by sending EV's to crushers on simple fender-benders - as in Tesla EVs - and let's pump out newer EV's to replace those fender-bendered EVs.
This is the way to save the planet. /s
07-23-2024, 08:18 PM
#2
OMG, what about the planet!
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07-23-2024, 08:32 PM
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Let's burn the planet faster by producing EVs that require substantially higher upfront carbon emissions, compared to ICE cars. CO2 emissions breakeven relative to ICE cars not achieved until each EV reaches about 90K miles from brand new.
Better yet, let's pollute the groundwater and the soil everywhere around the world by mining lithium and rare earth metals that are not required in ICE cars but critically necessary in EVs. That's what environmental "free lunch" is about.
To add insult to the injury, let's waste and trash our environment by sending EV's to crushers on simple fender-benders - as in Tesla EVs - and let's pump out newer EV's to replace those fender-bendered EVs.
This is the way to save the planet. /s
Better yet, let's pollute the groundwater and the soil everywhere around the world by mining lithium and rare earth metals that are not required in ICE cars but critically necessary in EVs. That's what environmental "free lunch" is about.
To add insult to the injury, let's waste and trash our environment by sending EV's to crushers on simple fender-benders - as in Tesla EVs - and let's pump out newer EV's to replace those fender-bendered EVs.
This is the way to save the planet. /s
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07-23-2024, 08:41 PM
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Politics aside, there’s a simple bottom line…if Porsche can’t shift the electric crap, it’s gonna have to keep making ICE vehicles. Or go out of business
Politics aside, there’s a simple bottom line…if Porsche can’t shift the electric crap, it’s gonna have to keep making ICE vehicles. Or go out of business
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07-23-2024, 08:43 PM
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Let's burn the planet faster by producing EVs that require substantially higher upfront carbon emissions, compared to ICE cars. CO2 emissions breakeven relative to ICE cars not achieved until each EV reaches about 90K miles from brand new.
Better yet, let's pollute the groundwater and the soil everywhere around the world by mining lithium and rare earth metals that are not required in ICE cars but critically necessary in EVs. That's what environmental "free lunch" is about.
To add insult to the injury, let's waste and trash our environment by sending EV's to crushers on simple fender-benders - as in Tesla EVs - and let's pump out newer EV's to replace those fender-bendered EVs.
This is the way to save the planet. /s
Better yet, let's pollute the groundwater and the soil everywhere around the world by mining lithium and rare earth metals that are not required in ICE cars but critically necessary in EVs. That's what environmental "free lunch" is about.
To add insult to the injury, let's waste and trash our environment by sending EV's to crushers on simple fender-benders - as in Tesla EVs - and let's pump out newer EV's to replace those fender-bendered EVs.
This is the way to save the planet. /s
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07-23-2024, 08:52 PM
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One of many "green" scams to save the planet. That said, as EV's go, Porsche's interpretation was better than most, albeit short on range. I might get a previously owned one at 1/4 MSRP and the wife can drive it into battery oblivion.
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07-23-2024, 08:55 PM
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However, battery-only EV cars are not great for the environment in any way or form. It's simply a politically-indoctrinated myth.
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07-23-2024, 09:01 PM
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Personally, I'm all for saving the environment by shifting emphasis to more Prius and Camry-style hybrid vehicles from pure ICE cars. Toyota has this right.
However, battery-only EV cars are not great for the environment in any way or form. It's simply a politically-indoctrinated myth.
However, battery-only EV cars are not great for the environment in any way or form. It's simply a politically-indoctrinated myth.
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07-23-2024, 09:04 PM
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“THIS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE pretty reading for Mercedes. I called up a dealer pretending to be a disgruntled EQE customer wanting out of electric. I wanted to know what my car was worth as a trade-in against a new E-Class estate. When I made the call it was three months old and had covered 4,500 miles. The answer was £45,000 ($58,000). I've never seen anything like what's going on in the premium EV market at the moment. It's a bloodbath. The EQE has lost getting on for £500 ($650) per day. If you need some perspective on that, try this: every watt of electricity it has consumed covering those 4,500 miles comes to £823.01 ($1065). I'd worked out that due to high electricity prices it was no more financially economical than a petrol doing 34.7mpg, and that had shocked me. But this? Wow. What's going on here? Distrust of EVs and range anxiety, government rowbacks ruining consumer confidence, high purchase costs, and business users that bought EVs as a tax dodge and are now flooding used ones back onto the market. It's everywhere you look. But I'm afraid EQE values are only going one way for the foreseeable.”
Yes, it’s only one model from one manufacturer sold/being run in the UK…but none the less shocking
07-23-2024, 09:10 PM
#10
Your tongue-in-cheek comment may be more real than you think. Below is a copy and paste from this month’s Top Gear UK magazine written by a journo long term-testing a Mercedes EQE…
“THIS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE pretty reading for Mercedes. I called up a dealer pretending to be a disgruntled EQE customer wanting out of electric. I wanted to know what my car was worth as a trade-in against a new E-Class estate. When I made the call it was three months old and had covered 4,500 miles. The answer was £45,000 ($58,000). I've never seen anything like what's going on in the premium EV market at the moment. It's a bloodbath. The EQE has lost getting on for £500 ($650) per day. If you need some perspective on that, try this: every watt of electricity it has consumed covering those 4,500 miles comes to £823.01 ($1065). I'd worked out that due to high electricity prices it was no more financially economical than a petrol doing 34.7mpg, and that had shocked me. But this? Wow. What's going on here? Distrust of EVs and range anxiety, government rowbacks ruining consumer confidence, high purchase costs, and business users that bought EVs as a tax dodge and are now flooding used ones back onto the market. It's everywhere you look. But I'm afraid EQE values are only going one way for the foreseeable.”
Yes, it’s only one model from one manufacturer sold/being run in the UK…but none the less shocking
“THIS IS NOT GOING TO MAKE pretty reading for Mercedes. I called up a dealer pretending to be a disgruntled EQE customer wanting out of electric. I wanted to know what my car was worth as a trade-in against a new E-Class estate. When I made the call it was three months old and had covered 4,500 miles. The answer was £45,000 ($58,000). I've never seen anything like what's going on in the premium EV market at the moment. It's a bloodbath. The EQE has lost getting on for £500 ($650) per day. If you need some perspective on that, try this: every watt of electricity it has consumed covering those 4,500 miles comes to £823.01 ($1065). I'd worked out that due to high electricity prices it was no more financially economical than a petrol doing 34.7mpg, and that had shocked me. But this? Wow. What's going on here? Distrust of EVs and range anxiety, government rowbacks ruining consumer confidence, high purchase costs, and business users that bought EVs as a tax dodge and are now flooding used ones back onto the market. It's everywhere you look. But I'm afraid EQE values are only going one way for the foreseeable.”
Yes, it’s only one model from one manufacturer sold/being run in the UK…but none the less shocking
07-23-2024, 10:12 PM
#11
Drifting
The problem is, the western governments (especially the EU) seem perfectly willing to let their automakers go under, and advance cheap Chinese EVs because they know consumers won't be able to resist a $15000 car.
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07-23-2024, 10:54 PM
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07-23-2024, 11:00 PM
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Let's burn the planet faster by producing EVs that require substantially higher upfront carbon emissions, compared to ICE cars. CO2 emissions breakeven relative to ICE cars not achieved until each EV reaches about 90K miles from brand new.
Better yet, let's pollute the groundwater and the soil everywhere around the world by mining lithium and rare earth metals that are not required in ICE cars but critically necessary in EVs. That's what environmental "free lunch" is about.
To add insult to the injury, let's waste and trash our environment by sending EV's to crushers on simple fender-benders - as in Tesla EVs - and let's pump out newer EV's to replace those fender-bendered EVs.
Better yet, let's pollute the groundwater and the soil everywhere around the world by mining lithium and rare earth metals that are not required in ICE cars but critically necessary in EVs. That's what environmental "free lunch" is about.
To add insult to the injury, let's waste and trash our environment by sending EV's to crushers on simple fender-benders - as in Tesla EVs - and let's pump out newer EV's to replace those fender-bendered EVs.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...rs-2021-06-29/
Including the “upfront” carbon cost for EV’s, the “break even point” depends on a number of variables. But comparing apples with apples, the break even point between a tesla 3 and Toyota Corolla is 8K miles for EV’s that recharge from hydro/wind/solar/nuclear and up to a maximum of 75k miles when the EV is charged from coal fired power plants.
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07-23-2024, 11:02 PM
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Have any proof of that?
I have proof to the contrary.