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Old 10-01-2024 | 04:33 AM
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This is how the missing A-pillar speakers look like. One would thought those are tweeters, but they look like a full range drivers:

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Originally Posted by Elberoth
This is how the missing A-pillar speakers look like. One would thought those are tweeters, but they look like a full range drivers:
interesting so the folded accordion tweeters are in the dash firing up into the windshield? they look very much like the folded motion tweeters in my martin logan surround sound speakers.
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In many cars tweeters are mounted on the dash and fire into the windshield (which is reflective to sound). That is a popular solution.

Folded Motion tweeter is Martin Logan's own name for what basicly is a Air Motion Transformer (AMT) tweeter.

Here is a good description on how such tweeter works:

https://www.production-expert.com/pr...tional-tweeter

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Originally Posted by Elberoth
In many cars tweeters are mounted on the dash and fire into the windshield (which is reflective to sound). That is a popular solution.

Folded Motion tweeter is Martin Logan's own name for what basicly is a Air Motion Transformer (AMT) tweeter.

Here is a good description on how such tweeter works:

https://www.production-expert.com/pr...tional-tweeter
yeah the martin logan tweeters i have look identical. i counted the folds and openings. difference is probably just the crossover and the wave guide.
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@Elberoth how is this effort coming i am highly curious. will there be any videos/pics of the install?
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The patent on AMT tweeters have expired a few years ago and now several comapnies make them. They are similar in concept, but not identcal in design and execution.

You can get one from Dayton @ $60:



And $550 from Mundorf:


I have no idea who makes those for Porsche.

Burmester (the real home audio company) seems to like those drive units, as many of their models have them:







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@Elberoth how is this effort coming i am highly curious. will there be any videos/pics of the install?
I will leave the car at the shop for a day or two ... unlikely they will want to waste time on videos, but I will ask them to take a few pics.

Everything should fit plug and play - the only challenge should be routing missing wires and then system coding.
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here are the martin logan ones. if u zoom in u will see some of them are the 5 slot some are 7 slot. on their site the difference seems to be vertical dispersion. and they may cross the larger ones over at a different point. in a car being so close the 5 slot ones w the wider vertical dispersion makes total sense. i would guess even just swapping the 3 front tweets to the burmester ones would be an improvement if someone had the bose system.

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I have ordered all missing parts from Porsche dealer - A-pillar mids, A-pillar covers and a bunch of screws:

Hex. Nut - N90887704 - 4 pcs
Oval Hexagon Socket Head Bolt - N10684701 - 24 pcs
Speed Nut - N90455902 - 6 pcs
Self tapping screw - N10442003 - 22 pcs
Hex head bolt - N10671702 - 18 pcs

The parts total went up to $3700.
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Originally Posted by Elberoth
I have ordered all missing parts from Porsche dealer - A-pillar mids, A-pillar covers and a bunch of screws:

Hex. Nut - N90887704 - 4 pcs
Oval Hexagon Socket Head Bolt - N10684701 - 24 pcs
Speed Nut - N90455902 - 6 pcs
Self tapping screw - N10442003 - 22 pcs
Hex head bolt - N10671702 - 18 pcs

The parts total went up to $3700.
ur still under the factory cost to add it?
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I'm not sure how much is the Burmester option in the US, but I'm expecting to end up (with labor) at about the half of the factory cost in the EU.

Please note that I have bought most of the speakers and amp used on ebay.

BTW - most of the speakers cross match to 971 Panamera (as you can tell by looking on the part #s), so the supply of used parts is plentiful. The only rare parts are those A-pillar mids and covers, amp and sub, which are cayenne specific.
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will they tell you the pin outs on the harness that connects the amp to the speakers? this would be good info for people that come after. i have added wires and pins to harness slots that were empty before. it isn’t too hard. knowing which position is what is the trick.
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Originally Posted by ThomasWShea
ur still under the factory cost to add it?
Burmester system for Cayenne costs in Poland CA 5950$.
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Originally Posted by retom
Burmester system for Cayenne costs in Poland CA 5950$.
Just checked - it is $7900 (30824zł).
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Originally Posted by Elberoth
Just checked - it is $7900 (30824zł).
It seems that in depends of the model. In GTS and Turbo it costs 23813zł..


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