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Old 09-26-2024 | 08:57 PM
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I have just removed the upper rear door grills and there is a space for the mids with all mounting points, no prob. Everyhing looks exactly the same.

Here is a pic of Burmester equipped car:



What the base and Bose equipped cars seem to be missing are two speakers on the A-pilars themselves:



I need to buy those two drive units (with A-pillar covers):

9Y0035362
9Y0035361

This is #6 and #8:


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Originally Posted by Elberoth
. . . Not sure how you counted the drive units on the Burmester system - IMO there are 17 of them (13 for the Bose system). . . .
Excerpt from pages 14-15 of this Porsche document, complete document attached:

Burmester® 3D High-End Surround Sound System

The Burmester® 3D High-End Surround Sound System is also available as an optional extra in the Porsche Cayenne.

It has a total of 21 individually activated loudspeakers and a total output of 1,455 watts. The system also has a 400-watt active subwoofer and a Class D digital amplifier.

The 21 loudspeakers are made of die-cast aluminium frames with highly efficient neodymium magnets. This ensures greater efficiency and more dynamic music
playback. Even the bass power amplifiers now feature Class D technology in order to further reduce power loss.

The Burmester® Air Motion Transformer was also improved using special aluminium vapour plating. The result is particularly fine and clear high-range playback without any sharpness. The Auro 3D® technology used by Burmester® uses two additional loudspeakers in the A-pillar to produce a sound modelled on the ambient effect of the renowned Galaxy Studios. These are regarded worldwide as the reference standard for perfect music playback.

I labeled each of the 21 speakers below:




​​​​​​​BOSE® Surround Sound System

The BOSE® Surround Sound System is available as an optional extra in the Porsche Cayenne.

It has a total of 14 loudspeakers with a total output of 710 watts as well as a digital amplifier and a passive subwoofer.

The BOSE® Centerpoint® technology allows playback of stereo sources in surround mode and thus produces a much better stereophonic sound compared with playback in stereo. With AudioPilot® noise compensation technology, you can enjoy the sound of the BOSE® Surround Sound System irrespective of vehicle speed and engine speed. Driving noises are recorded by a microphone, detected in real time and compensated by means of a frequency-dependent volume correction system. The Bose SoundTrue® enhancement technology counteracts the problem of music compression. As a result, parts of high-loss music tracks can be restored in the high-frequency range, thereby improving the sound.

I labeled each of the 14 speakers below:


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Old 09-26-2024 | 09:11 PM
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OK, with those A-pillar tweeters it is indeed 21.

So it seems I have all but those two.
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Maybe someone will be able to double check, but I think that black A-pillar covers for Burmester (PR: 9VJ) are

9Y0867234B 6F2
9Y0867233B 6F2
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What I want is the swivel pop up tweaters. Cant get those anywhere.
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What I want is the swivel pop up tweaters. Cant get those anywhere.
like they have in the audi? they are available on the chinese sites.
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Originally Posted by ThomasWShea
like they have in the audi? they are available on the chinese sites.
Yup, been searching for a while. All I find is Audi ones.
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Yup, been searching for a while. All I find is Audi ones.
B&O pop up tweeter towers are cool looking, but the Burmester AMT ribbon tweeters are really great sounding.

None of those can be installed without the crossover modifications (you can't just throw those tweeters in a Bose system and expect them to sound great).
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This is how a rear door mid and tweeter mounting spot looks like:



As you can see, the mid driver is missing - the base sound system has only the tweeter and bass driver.

Thankfully, all the mounting points are there, also the grill is not blanked out (which is the case on some Mercedes or BMWs with base hifi, where you need to replace the grill to install the drivers).
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Originally Posted by Elberoth
This is how a rear door mid and tweeter mounting spot looks like:



As you can see, the mid driver is missing - the base sound system has only the tweeter and bass driver.

Thankfully, all the mounting points are there, also the grill is not blanked out (which is the case on some Mercedes or BMWs with base hifi, where you need to replace the grill to install the drivers).
The most important thing is whether there is wiring. Because if there is none, you will have to run it to the Burmester amplifier. Of course, NaviTechnik will handle this, but it is an additional cost and more disassembly of the car.
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Originally Posted by Elberoth
B&O pop up tweeter towers are cool looking, but the Burmester AMT ribbon tweeters are really great sounding.

None of those can be installed without the crossover modifications (you can't just throw those tweeters in a Bose system and expect them to sound great).
In my previous Audi SQ8 I had the 23 speaker B&O Advanced 3D. Now in my new Cayenne I have the Burmester.

Despite many attempts I may not have hit the right settings in the Burmester but IMO the B&O Advanced sounded much better.
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Originally Posted by Elberoth
Maybe someone will be able to double check, but I think that black A-pillar covers for Burmester (PR: 9VJ) are

9Y0867234B 6F2
9Y0867233B 6F2
If you buy them second hand the numbers look correct. If new they have been replaced by 9Y0867233F6F2 and 9Y0867234F6F2
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Running missing wires and re-pinning the OE Porsche sockets in doors (sockets may need extra pins) is not a problem. That basicly is their bread and butter.
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Parts - A and D-pillar speakers still missing:



20cm front door and 16cm rear door woofers:



Mids also look quite nice TBH - woven fibre cone, cast aluminium basked (not pressed steel), neodymium magnet:



Rear (dome) vs front (AMT) Burmester tweeters:



20cm bass driver- the dustcap obscures the cone size, but long throw speaker surround suggest generous X-max (maximum possible cone excursion):



Having built quite a few cars with custom hi-end car audio systems, I have to say those speakers are really quite nice (probably best I have seen as far as factory speakers are concerned). You could probably do even better installing a quality DSP, multiple amps and MOST to SPDIF converter, but that would be at least $4k extra in equipment alone (ZEN-V converter needed to convert the MOST signal to SPDIF is $1k alone) + $1-2k extra in labor.
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Old 09-27-2024 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Elberoth
Parts - A and D-pillar speakers still missing:



20cm front door and 16cm rear door woofers:



Mids also look quite nice TBH - woven fibre cone, cast aluminium basked (not pressed steel), neodymium magnet:



Rear (dome) vs front (AMT) Burmester tweeters:



20cm bass driver- the dustcap obscures the cone size, but long throw speaker surround suggest generous X-max (maximum possible cone excursion):



Having built quite a few cars with custom hi-end car audio systems, I have to say those speakers are really quite nice (probably best I have seen as far as factory speakers are concerned). You could probably do even better installing a quality DSP, multiple amps and MOST to SPDIF converter, but that would be at least $4k extra in equipment alone (ZEN-V converter needed to convert the MOST signal to SPDIF is $1k alone) + $1-2k extra in labor.
I will say the Burmester in my 14 and my 24 Cayenne's are fantastic, do agree with better sound control options on them, but it equals the 10k JL Audio system I have in my Raptor.
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