Dislikes after owning a 2020 2Y0
03-08-2024, 01:44 AM
#16
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Absolutely true, your sales person did you a disservice by not introducing to the air suspension option, it’s probably the best and most important option they have IMO.
03-08-2024, 02:11 PM
#17
Track Day
Thread Starter
My Cayenne (base) is a 2019 model with the standard suspension and the 21" RS Spyder wheels. My former car was a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 20" wheels and an air suspension. Our other family car is a 2021 Audi SQ5 with an air suspension.
My observations on ride and handling of my Cayenne - the ride is firm but compliant. Very balanced - which is quite noticeable and appreciated vs the Grand Cherokee. That balance, coupled with the excellent steering really make the Cayenne a standout performer in its class.
My Cayenne is fitted with Pirelli Scorpion AS tires - and my perception of them is that they are designed for somewhat longer tread life with a medium hard compound. I think they're a good compromise for ride / handling, and reasonable tread life. I keep the tire pressures at 36F and 39R - which should also help with promoting tread life. Handing and road noise with those settings is just great.
I think the ride and handling characteristics of the Cayenne are outstanding - even with the base suspension. In fact, one of the vehicle's greatest attributes.
To the OP - if experimenting with the tire pressure settings does not yield an acceptable outcome for you, you might consider opting for either the 19" or 20" wheel set.
My observations on ride and handling of my Cayenne - the ride is firm but compliant. Very balanced - which is quite noticeable and appreciated vs the Grand Cherokee. That balance, coupled with the excellent steering really make the Cayenne a standout performer in its class.
My Cayenne is fitted with Pirelli Scorpion AS tires - and my perception of them is that they are designed for somewhat longer tread life with a medium hard compound. I think they're a good compromise for ride / handling, and reasonable tread life. I keep the tire pressures at 36F and 39R - which should also help with promoting tread life. Handing and road noise with those settings is just great.
I think the ride and handling characteristics of the Cayenne are outstanding - even with the base suspension. In fact, one of the vehicle's greatest attributes.
To the OP - if experimenting with the tire pressure settings does not yield an acceptable outcome for you, you might consider opting for either the 19" or 20" wheel set.
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03-08-2024, 02:13 PM
#18
Track Day
Thread Starter
I'd try the comfort pressures, they made a difference in the ride of my GTS. The other option is to find a used set of 20" wheels/tires (eBay or elsewhere) and then sell your 21" set. You'll notice a difference with that setup. When test driving Cayennes in 2021, I drove many different trims. The steel sprung suspensions were a bit firmer than the air suspension models in "normal" mode but not significantly so. I also found the steel suspension to be more lively. But, as you have noticed, the steel suspension is firmer.
03-08-2024, 02:26 PM
#19
Track Day
Thread Starter
I drove a 2020 Base a couple of years ago and also found the ride really harsh. Put it off for a couple of years (had a 160K mile 2009 Cayenne Base that rode great actually), and then tested a group of 2023 Cayennes, and things did change for sure in the compression/rebound rates. My wife's 2019 Panamera with PASM in normal is stiffer than the 2023 Base Cayenne (for 2023 anyway). So much softer is my truck than her car that I run my 21 inch Spyders at 41 lbs all around, and plan on going to Bilstein B6 shocks all around (direct out of Germany). Parts #s are 24-263535 rear and 24-263528 front.
I understand that Monroe is the parent company for the VW group's non air non electric shocks. In the '70s, Monroe was big on their sensa-trac inovation, where compression and rebound restrictions were loosened up for small stuff but then came on harder when vertical motions increased in speed.
The stock steel spring shocks for the Cayenne may be made by Monroe.
I understand that Monroe is the parent company for the VW group's non air non electric shocks. In the '70s, Monroe was big on their sensa-trac inovation, where compression and rebound restrictions were loosened up for small stuff but then came on harder when vertical motions increased in speed.
MONROE OESPECTRUM STRUTS
Monroe OESpectrum struts are designed with application-specific technologies like Twin Technology Active Control System (LST & ICV valving) or Acceleration Sensitive Damping (ASD) to provide an exceptional level of handling, precision and control while filtering out noise, vibration and harshness and restoring a vehicle’s original factory drivability and performance.The stock steel spring shocks for the Cayenne may be made by Monroe.
03-09-2024, 07:46 PM
#23
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Driving dynamics are superb. We love it! It feels more nimble than our 957. I can tell there is less torque than the V8, but it doesn't diminish the overall experience. The ventilated seats are very comfortable. When I was shopping for a Panamera, I tried a model with ventilation and found the seat to be very hard, enough that I decided not to get them in the end. The 9Y0 ventilated seats feel much better. Im not excited about the inevitable battery replacement, but that's part of the ownership experience. I hope the 9y0 is at least as reliable as our 957 was! Those are big shoes to fill.
03-09-2024, 10:09 PM
#24
Track Day
Thread Starter
It was totaled while parked on the street when a lady decided to rear-end the car. Also, the lease was coming to an end so it was time for a car.
Either way wasn't going to keep the Range Rover as it had coolant leaks, electrical issues, buggy infotainment system. Apart from these few issues, the car was pretty solid TBH.
Either way wasn't going to keep the Range Rover as it had coolant leaks, electrical issues, buggy infotainment system. Apart from these few issues, the car was pretty solid TBH.
03-09-2024, 10:30 PM
#25
Track Day
Thread Starter
Also, considered R1S but couldn't settle with charging anxiety.
05-15-2024, 01:05 AM
#26
Burning Brakes
I'll probably leave everything pressure wise at first, then try the comfort settings (32F/35R) for the wife's sake. Its not a 911, but has more low end grunt than our 997, and has a Porsche badge. So let's see if I can stiffen this baby up some. If I like it, will buy the matching fronts and have the dealer install them at the 20K service.
One other thing I want to run by the dealer is the possibility of running C30 oil versus C20. I have a base (C20 spec'd for it), and the S takes the C30.
Last edited by Ericson38; 05-15-2024 at 01:12 AM.
05-15-2024, 05:48 AM
#27
absolutely agreed, i have 22 Cayenne base with no air suspension 21" and i can tell,, coming from BMW 7 series and Audi Q7 and Lexus 570 Lx .. Cayenne is to harsh
recently . i test drove the new cayenne with air suspension ... man its day and night difference ... so comfy and smooth ... i did place my order immediately
recently . i test drove the new cayenne with air suspension ... man its day and night difference ... so comfy and smooth ... i did place my order immediately
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05-16-2024, 07:32 AM
#28
For one, it's apples and oranges. The Range Rover is a pure luxury vehicle. I have a 2021 S without PASM and air suspension. Coming from a 2015 Cayenne, the 2021 suspension is much softer or perhaps less "harsh." Drive it for a little while and you'll probably get used to it. If not, go to a luxury car like another Rover or a Lexus. Porsche may not be your thing. I don't like the PCM, b ut I'm getting used to it (I'll never "like it."). I hope you do end up liking it. My wife came from an Audi A8 to her Panamera S e-hybrid. Ar first she was surprised at how much "less of car the Panamera was" in the sense luxury items. A few years later, I couldn't pry her out of the Panamera. She loves it and claims she will drive it until the wheels fall off.